'Lubię ten kobieta...' - Is this in proper grammar?

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WitamyThreads: 1 Posts: 1 Joined: Aug 20, 11 ♂	Jan 22, 12, 16:49 #1
Lubię ten kobieta ale ona nie lubi mnie Could you explain why it is wrong if it is and could explain the use of noun cases in this sentence

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Jan 22, 12, 17:13 #2

hi

kobieta is female and as such it is never ten but ta - this woman - ta kobieta - now ta kobieta is the nominative case and objects are never in nominative - the case form is governed by a preposition that precedes the noun or if no preposition is present by the verb itself (the verb demands the object in a specific case) - 'lubieć' verb is a regular one in that that it demands the object in the accusative (direct objects are typically in accusative - but many important verbs require the object in different cases) - eventually "I like this woman" is "Lubię tę kobietę". (notice that in Polish the personal pronoun ("I" in this case) typically gets omitted - it's because the form of verb most often clearly shows if the doer is first, second or third person either in plural or singular)

The second part of the sentence is perfectly ok. - but you should take a note here that while "I like this woman" is "Lubię tę(tą in spoken languge mostly)", "I don't like this woman" is "Nie lubię tej kobiety" - the difference is the negation of verbs that require accusative case for the object always requires the genetive case.

now Ona mnie lubi. Ona mnie nie lubi. - the pronoun looks the same because 'mnie' is the form of both the accusative and genetive case. (it often happens that two or more case forms of various speech parts are the same - it sure adds to the confusion in Polish grammar for a foreigner)

SpecjalistaThreads: 6 Posts: 67 Joined: Jan 22, 12 ♂	Edited by: Specjalista Jan 22, 12, 17:48 #3
This can help you. I've been learning the accusative case today. Link

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 22, 12, 18:02 #4
gumishu: kobieta is female more precisely and more to the point 'kobieta' is (not surprisingly) a female gender noun

SpecjalistaThreads: 6 Posts: 67 Joined: Jan 22, 12 ♂	Jan 22, 12, 23:09 #5
gumishu: more precisely and more to the point 'kobieta' is (not surprisingly) a female gender noun Today I've been learning about virile gender, should I be horrible and tell him about it? (just kidding) ;)

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Jan 22, 12, 23:11 #6
Specjalista: Today I've been learning about virile gender, should I be horrible and tell him about it? (just kidding) ;) have a little bit of mercy and spare him for a time ;)

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Jan 23, 12, 02:11 #7
Witamy: Lubię ten kobieta ale ona nie lubi mnie to be more stealth for Poles ;) you can say: Lubię ją ale ona nie lubi mnie. Lubię ją a ona mnie nie.

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