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Jun 1, 10, 12:54 #1

Hello!
I would like to ask for some help again!
I know that also in Polish we can express that someone comes from/lives in somewhere with affixes.
I know that:
toruńczyk -who lives in Toruń
europejczyk - in Europe
amerikanin - in America
litwin - in Lithuania
słoweniec - who is Slovene
etc
(hope I spelled them correctly)
but... is there any rule about the using of the different affixes after the different names?
For example, how do we say in Polish:
who lives in Kraków, in Łódź, in Białystok....?
And one more question, what about the -ski ending? Do we use it only for the noble names, or can we use it in usual situations (np. warszawski... ?)? And what about the -ak ending, when do we use it?
I know it was a lot of questions, but I would be thankful for any help :-))

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Jun 1, 10, 13:21 #2

Leonis:

but... is there any rule about the using of the different affixes after the different names?
For example, how do we say in Polish:
who lives in Kraków, in Łódź, in Białystok....?

This is a rather difficult question. As far as I know there isn't any rules, we just say what is phonetically convenient. For many names there may be two versions like, for example, for the inhabitant of Warsaw: you may call him 'warszawiak', and it is common as in the saying 'nie masz cwaniaka nad warszawiaka'; you may also hear the form 'warszawianin/ warszawianka' which is perhaps a little more formal.

For the names you asked:
Kraków - krakowianin, krakowiak / krakowianka
Łódź - łodzianin / łodzianka [we would not say 'łodziak']
Białystok - białostoczanin / białostoczanka

Most commonly, you use the -anin ending (gdańszczanin, szczecinianin, gdynianin), sometimes you use -iak more often than -anin (poznaniak vs. poznanianin).

RubasznyRumcajsThreads: 9 Posts: 283 Joined: Mar 29, 08 ♂	Jun 1, 10, 14:05 #3
Leonis: amerikanin - in America 1. Amerykanin, not amerikanin 2. Litwin, Ukrainczyk etc should be written with first letter capitalised for example: Poznań- Poznańska Pyra ;)

LeonisThreads: 30 Posts: 60 Joined: Aug 15, 09 ♀	Jun 1, 10, 15:43 #4
Thank you very much for the answers! :-)) Now it's getting clearer. And thank you for the correction, too.

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Edited by: SzwedwPolsce Jun 1, 10, 15:49 #5

Leonis:

And one more question, what about the -ski ending? Do we use it only for the noble names, or can we use it in usual situations (np. warszawski... ?)? And what about the -ak ending, when do we use it?

ski-words are common adjectives (declined as other adjectives in all genders and cases).

Nominative case:
-ski (masc.)
-ska (fem.)
-skie (neutr. and plural)

Uniwersytet Warszawski (masc)
Ulica Warszawska (fem.)
Augustowskie noce (plural) [an old famous song]

I guess you know adjective endings in the other cases.
E.g. Mieszkam na ulicy Warszawskiej (locative case of feminine gender)

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Edited by: nincompoop_not Jun 1, 10, 16:05 #6

Leonis:

toruńczyk -who lives in Toruń

wrong
It's Torunianin (single) and Torunianie (plural)

As Ziemowit says, forms with '-ak' ending are less formal, but don't apply to all cities. So you don't say 'torunczyk' or 'gdanszczak'; you say 'gdanszczanin/torunianin etc and general rule is creating the names by adding '(n)in'.
Krakowiak, Warszawiak, even Wroclawiak are ok tho.
The naming rule can be split in 3 basic sections:
-naming citizens of Polish cities
-naming foreigners (such as Amerykanin, Brytyjczyk, Norweg, Szwed etc)
-naming citizens of foreign cities( berlinczyk, londynczyk, BUT prazanka= female citizen of Prague (m. - prazanin), and paryzanin = citizen of Paris (f. - paryzanka)

But as you can see - there seem to be no strict rule for foreign cities' citizens :)

I recommend this:
http://so.pwn.pl/

NomsenseThreads: - Posts: 47 Joined: Sep 20, 09 ♂	Jun 8, 10, 02:12 #7
Ziemowit: Kraków - krakowianin, krakowiak / krakowianka Krakowiak: a man from one of the villages in the vicinity of Kraków http://encyklopedia.pwn.pl/haslo.php?id=3926971

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Edited by: pgtx Jun 8, 10, 02:23 #8
Nomsense: Krakowiak: a man from one of the villages in the vicinity of Kraków a person who lives in the city of Krakow - krakowianin a person who lives in the vicinity of Krakow - krakowiak ???

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Jun 8, 10, 06:03 #9
Nomsense: Krakowiak: a man from one of the villages in the vicinity of Kraków http://encyklopedia.pwn.pl/haslo.php?id=3926971 pgtx: a person who lives in the vicinity of Krakow - krakowiak but that also includes folk in the town of Krakow.. Krakowiacy, mieszkańcy wsi w okolicach Krakowa, w ujęciu hist. — mieszkańcy ziemi krakowskiej.

POLENGGGsThreads: 5 Posts: 211 Joined: Apr 26, 10 ♂	Jun 8, 10, 14:51 #10
who live in Koło ?

ZiemowitThreads: 10 Posts: 1,063 Joined: May 8, 09 ♂	Jun 9, 10, 20:25 #11
They who live in Koło, I would call them: 'zakręceni Kolanie' or 'skołowani Kolanie'. When they're having a partiularly good time, they may be called 'rozkręceni Kolanie'. But locals from neighbouring towns and villiges would perhaps call them 'Kolaki' ('Kolak' in singular).

pgtxThreads: 49 Posts: 6,327 Joined: Feb 14, 09 MEMBER ♀	Jun 9, 10, 20:30 #12
Ziemowit: They who live in Koło, I would call them: 'zakręceni Kolanie' or 'skołowani Kolanie'. or Kołki... ;)

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Jun 11, 10, 00:17 #13

pgtx:

a person who lives in the city of Krakow - krakowianin
a person who lives in the vicinity of Krakow - krakowiak

Actually, I would use the term Krakowiak only in regards to a village man in the traditional costume.

plk123:

but that also includes folk in the town of Krakow..

Krakowiacy, mieszkańcy wsi w okolicach Krakowa, w ujęciu hist. — mieszkańcy ziemi krakowskiej.

Well, yes, but that must be a really old meaning, probably from the XV or XIV century (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ziemia).

WhizzKidThreads: 1 Posts: 10 Joined: Jun 4, 10 ♂	Edited by: WhizzKid Jun 11, 10, 13:25 #14
Nomsense: Actually, I would use the term Krakowiak only in regards to a village man in the traditional costume. Actuall, USJP, a dictionary based on language corpus, says that the primary meaning of "Krakowiak" still remains "an inhabitant of the area surrounding Kraków". POLENGGGs: who live in Koło ? Mieszkaniec Koła :-)

NomsenseThreads: - Posts: 47 Joined: Sep 20, 09 ♂	Edited by: Nomsense Jun 12, 10, 00:14 #15
WhizzKid: Mieszkaniec Koła :-) kolanin, kolanka: http://www.sjp.pl/co/kolanin http://www.sjp.pl/co/kolanka

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