seen / saw usage

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Edited by: chaza Sep 19, 10, 15:26 #1
would i be right in saying that if i wanted to say, ' i have seen that movie' or what have you seen' i would use the word zobacz. czy pan zobaczyłeś - have you seen kiedy masz zobacz - what have you seen thanks chaza

alexw68	Sep 19, 10, 15:29 #2
Not for a movie - it's oglądac...

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:30 #3
but im i right about the concept of seen

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Edited by: Seanus Sep 19, 10, 15:34 #4
Nie, it would be jaki film oglądałeś or jaki film Pan oglądał? Kiedy masz zobaczyć means 'when are you to look?'

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:36 #5
what should i have said then. if i wanted to say 'have you seen fred today' chaza

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:42 #6
Czy zobaczyłeś/widziałeś Freda dzisiaj? Or czy spotkałeś się z Fredem dzisiaj?

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:46 #7
so my only mistake was using zobczyć and not zobaczyłeś. chaza

noreenbThreads: 4 Posts: 1,082 Joined: Apr 22, 09 ♀	Edited by: noreenb Sep 19, 10, 15:49 #8
but im i right about the concept of seen You're right: widzieć/oglądać/zobaczyć film - everything is correct.

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:53 #9
i still seem to having dificulty in the word order, especially when i want to ask a question like the above, i am still grapling with the czy concept. i think i have to say the question to myself before i add the czy. i.e you see fred. then add the czy to mean have you seen fred. does that indecate i'm getting there chaza

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Edited by: Seanus Sep 19, 10, 15:53 #10

It is flexible that way. Oglądać appears to be the most common. Chaza, I was correcting your form only.

English changes tense and Polish changes verb. As noreenb said, there are 3 verbs in play. In English, present perfect simple and past simple. Brits say 'have you eaten yet?' whereas Americans say 'did you eat yet?'. It's just preference.

No, czy simply means whether but is used as a question word too. You've been told this before, right? JustysiaS told you this.

Czy Pan rozumiał co ja mówiłem przed chwilą? Did Sir understand what I said a moment ago?

Nie wiem czy będę póżniej. I don't know if/whether I'll be (along) later.

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 15:57 #11
i understand that seanus, but my frustration is being undertsood. its difficuklt enough, i think my polish is gettinmg better, at least my cousin in torun says so, but do want to get a handle on these concepts, if its not perfect, i at least wantto be undertsood. chaza

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 16:05 #12
Polish draws more of a distinction between progressive and non-progressive than between present perfect simple and past simple. Co robiłeś wczoraj? What were you doing yesterday? Co zrobiłeś wczoraj? What did you do yesterday? Polish is very much a contextual language and if you are unsure you just have to ask or glean the meaning from the surrounding context.

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Edited by: chaza Sep 19, 10, 16:23 #13
thank folks, i have been told before, but in my frustration i keep asking myself the same questions forgetting your answers before, my apologies, one day the penny will drop. with my previous question, about did you see that movie, the other verb that comes into play is mayber obserwować chaza

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Sep 19, 10, 16:42 #14

Do not use "zobaczyć" for this purpose. When talking about a movie use.... :

Widziałeś ten film?
Oglądałeś ten film?

You can add "czy" in front of those above, but it is not absolutely necessary here.

The verb "zobaczyć" implies: "have you succeeded/managed to see?"

czy pan zobaczyłeś - should be: Czy Pan widział (ten film)?
kiedy masz zobacz - now, this construction is totally incorrect, it should rather be:

Co widziałeś?, Co Pan widział?

or when relating to a movie: Jaki film widziałeś/oglądałeś?

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Edited by: zetigrek Sep 19, 10, 16:57 #15

chaza:

but im i right about the concept of seen

you can say:

Widziałem ten film
Obejrzałem ten film (I've watched that movie)
Zobaczyłem ten film would be the least correct but in some context may be ok. Zobaczyć means rather to notice or to spot.

chaza:

czy pan zobaczyłeś - have you seen

Czy pan zobaczył would be gramatically correct
but it should be Czy pan widział

chaza:

kiedy masz zobacz - what have you seen

kiedy = when
masz = you have is sense to own.
In polish language you have 3 tenses: past, present, future. We don't have perfect tenses. Don't translate literally the grammar from english into polish. These 2 different languages. You don'r have a modal verb "to have" in polish (as in polish there is no present perfect tense). You should first study grammar a little bit :)

what have you seen = co widziałeś

but

what movie have you seen = jaki film widziełeś - literally: which movie (you) saw

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 17:33 #16
chaza: my polish is gettinmg better My advice. Don't bother yourself and omit pan, pani, ja, ty. It will be forgiven for a foreigner. Just remember endings widziałeś film, widziałem - boy widziałaś film, widziałam - girl czytałeś, oglądałeś, jechałeś, piłeś, jadłeś, spałeś, pisałeś, biegłeś, kupowałeś etc

chazaThreads: 49 Posts: 266 Joined: Dec 21, 09 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 17:41 #17
i am quite familiar with the endings, but in my effortbto tranlate what i want to say, from english to polish i forget them often, and to a large degree that is what frustrates me, i know them but fail to use them when i translate. and also when i converse. i often wonder what do i sound like to a pole. i think on a scale of 1..10 my polish is about 4.5 thanks to all you guys chaza

peter_olsztynThreads: 8 Posts: 760 Joined: Apr 18, 07 ♂	Sep 19, 10, 17:53 #18
chaza: i often wonder what do i sound like to a pole. At least try to fight down a habit to use/translate I / Ja at the beginning.

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