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The usage of: oboje, obaj, oba, obie



arnaudThreads: 4
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Joined: May 31, 08 ♂ 		 May 31, 08, 16:15    #1
I understand when to use obaj, oba, obie but I have trouble with oboje. The Słownik PWN claims oboje is only used for persons ("używany wyłącznie w odniesieniu do dwu osób różnej płci i do dwojga dzieci"), but then again one says "oboje drzwi" and not "obie/oba drzwi". What's the rule?

Thanks,
Arnaud


SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 May 31, 08, 16:25    #2
Oboje is for a man and a woman together. Sorry, my knowledge goes no deeper than that


z_dariusThreads: 22
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Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂ 		 May 31, 08, 17:12    #3
it is also used in reference to children, regardless of their gender.


arnaudThreads: 4
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Joined: May 31, 08 ♂ 		 Jun 1, 08, 04:00    #4
z_darius:

it is also used in reference to children, regardless of their gender.


Well yes, that's what the dictionary says, but in the "drzwi" case, there are neither a man and a woman, nor children.


floyd6Threads: -
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Joined: Jun 2, 08 ♂ 		 Jun 2, 08, 12:31    #5
zbiór dwu jednostek, tj. osób różnej płci, dzieci, młodych zwierząt lub (rzadko) przedmiotów, których nazwy mają tylko liczbę mnogą;


it's used for a collection of two entities of both genders, children, small animals or (rarely) objects which have only a plural form (e.g. drzwi, spodnie, nożyce, sanie etc)

mind you, "oboje" is also the plural form of "obój" (=oboe) :D


osiolThreads: 59
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Joined: Jul 25, 07 ♂ 		 Jun 2, 08, 12:42    #6
What kind of "oboje" should I use if I want to say "To toaleta i to krzaki"?


CatzThreads: -
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Joined: May 6, 08 ♂ 		 Jun 2, 08, 15:24    #7
You can use "obie", "oboje" etc when both entities are described with one word. You can't use it to describe one entity that has two names or functions.

Maybe you could say "to ma obie cechy: toaleta i krzaki".

I suppose you want to translate something like "It is both a toilet and a bush".

You could say "to zarówno toaleta (jak) i krzaki", "to jednocześnie toaleta (jak) i krzaki".


Pole  Apr 28, 10, 16:57    #8
osiol, for "toaleta" and "krzaki" you can say "dwie toalety" and "dwa krzaki". Toalety and krzaki are countable, from "toaleta" and "krzak"(=bush:)

regards from Kraków:)


chazaThreads: 49
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Joined: Dec 21, 09 Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Jun 23, 10, 13:53    #9
hi there
would it not be correct to say that 'oba, obaj' is like saying' i like both of these'.
and obydwoje is like saying i like both of you.


chaza



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