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z, ze and verbs - Genitive


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SemsemThreads: 18
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Joined: Dec 28, 09 ♂ 		 May 7, 10, 02:03    #1
I read that each one is used in different ways with regards to the genitive. Anyone care to help me with understanding how each one is used?

Also, I know a lot of verbs need the noun in genitive, but not all of them. Are there any rules on how to tell which verbs do and don't?
Lyzko  May 7, 10, 17:09    #2
If your questions concerns 'z', resp. 'z(e)', this single preposition (also used sometimes as a perfective verb prefix!) can be both genitive or instrumental, naturally depending on the context-:) For instance:


Jestem z Polski. = I am from Poland (genitive)

Hiszpania razem z Polską jest największym kraju w EU. = Spain together with Poland is the largest country in the EU. (instrumental)

On przybywał ze swoimi rodzicami. = He arrived with his parents. (instrumental)

The 'zE' is written/spoken with a final 'e' in order to elide the vowel with the following sibilant 's'.
AdamKadmonThreads: 38
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Joined: Apr 23, 10 ♂ 		Edited by: AdamKadmon  May 7, 10, 17:20    #3
Semsem

PWN dictionary:

ze forma partykuły: z, używana najczęściej przed wyrazami zaczynającymi się od grupy spółgłosek: Dostaniesz za to ze dwa tysiące. Zatrudni ze trzydziestu mężczyzn.

ze the form of the particle z, most often used before words beginning with consonants clasters, e.g.: Dostaniesz za to ze dwa tysiące. Zatrudni ze trzydziestu mężczyzn.

So, the only reason for using it is to facilitate the pronounciation of otherwise unpronounceable clusters of consonants.
Lyzko  May 7, 10, 17:30    #4
Whhoopsidaisy!!!

"....największym krajEM...."


-:))
SzwedwPolsceThreads: 13
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Joined: Feb 21, 09 ♂ 		Edited by: SzwedwPolsce  May 7, 10, 19:50    #5
Ze is only used when z would make a difficult combination with the first letters of the next word.
They mean exactly the same, and behave the same grammatically.

It's the same with w and we. To make the next word easier to pronounce.

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Z (and ze) governs genitive when it means of and from. It governs instrumental when it means with.

On jest z Polski. <---> He's from Poland. (gen.)
Mieszkam z moim bratem. <---> I live with my brother. (instr.)
Lyzko  May 8, 10, 14:23    #6
Indeed, almost verbatim what I posted above:-)
Thanks though for the confirmation and sorry again for the silly typo LOL
catsoldierThreads: 90
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Joined: Sep 27, 09 ♂ 		 Nov 27, 11, 18:26    #7
How do you change stoły, plural for tables to genitve? What are the rules?

Stół, singular changes to stołu. Nie ma stołu.
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Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀ 		 Nov 27, 11, 18:39    #8
Nie ma stołów.
catsoldierThreads: 90
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Joined: Sep 27, 09 ♂ 		 Nov 27, 11, 18:47    #9
strzyga:
Nie ma stołów.

Thanks.


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