What Happened in the Danzig Corridor 1939? Poles Slaughtering Germans?

A polish-german communist...ah ja!

War is dirty...sh*t things happen.
But it wasn't the assignment of the Wehrmacht to round up Jews for example...they had a real job to do.

I read the number of german war criminals is around 200.000!
(The Wiesenthal center said so I believe - during start of operation "Last Chance")
Even if it's an awful lot, that also means that the far majority of Germans/german soldiers was not guilty of any crimes at all!

I want to know - what is possessing those to post on THIS FORUM, the denial of the Holocaust, and the repercussions?

Many of us lost family members, and to continually put us through this is PURE SADISM. Knock it off, and get a life.

But then, if you were in a bar room full of Poles and Jews, you wouldn't be saying such garbage for real, now would you? That thought makes me smile.

SS and Wehrmacht had a peculiar love-hate relationship.Wehrmacht adored the SS when they sacrificed themselves as first line warriors to save Wehrmacht divisions from collapse and hated them for the crimes of certain SS divisions among population.
In concentration camps and many other facilities like the ones producing missiles(where hundreds of thousands of prisoners died) everything was under control of SS.SS had about 1 million soldiers at the end of war and they had the most diverse operational activities.However the Russians in Nyremberg did not manage to get a convict of SS as a criminal organization,in order to proceed to massive arrests of all their members as a part of denazification.

I am perfectly aware who did what. The point was to defeat the argument by a holocaust denier.

I'm fed up with BS posted by German-kielbasa boy.
First of all in the most European countries Holocaust denials are not allowed.
Then bubbling about innocent majority of good Germans is a plain lie.
Just read some books from Hanna Krall how those "good natured" Wehrmacht soldiers representing mostly the German middle class bravely shot Jews in East-Poland.
Same goes for Wehrmacht crimes exhibition from Reemtsma.

Speaking of "innocent" Germans be careful cause on the end of the day maybe only the Scholls are left.

yes joe we are under Jewish occupation ... again :(

please help us ! come here form USA with your friends and save our country !

or maybe Bratwurst is going to help :)))

In 1934, Iosef Pilsudski and Adolph Hitler signed a non-aggression pact between Germany and Poland...part of this pact specified that the issue of the Danzig Corridor, which was piece of land that formerly linked East Prussian with the German
heartland would be resolved in a peaceful manner...Iosef Pilsudski died, and his succesors never made serious attempts to resolve the issue, for a number of reasons, probably the main one being that the corridor gave Poland access to the Baltic Sea through the port of Danzig/Gdansk...Hitler wanted this 'free city of Danzig' returned to Germany, and also wanted secure passage for Germany through the corridor, so that the link with East Prussia could be restored...he offered Poland
free access to the port in return for the city...he even offered a military alliance in case of any attacks...the Poles 'prevaricated', and in the interim, especially early in 1939, many German natives in the area were slaughtered in 'pogroms'...some reports I have read say that the instigators of these pogroms were 'Polish' communists who wished to provoke war, drawing the Soviet communists in...remember that the Red Army tries to conquer Poland in 1919, as a way of linking up with German Communists, but were stopped by Pilsudski's army at the Battle of Warsaw...Pilsudski opposed Bolshevism, as did Hitler...it seems as if a settlement of this problem could have been reached, but there was intransigence on the part of the Polish government...at the midnight hour, 1939, the British promised the Poles that they would intervene if Germany invaded...of course, they didn't, and Poland was cut up by Germany and the Soviet Union...this is the story in a nutshell...looking back, we can only speculate on alternative histories...the Communists always had their eyes on Poland, and the signing of the German-Soviet non-aggression treaty certainly was an ominous sign that Hitler considered the 'Polish problem' unsolvable by negotiations with the Poles...as far as the Danzig slaughters, some historians contend that Jewish communist elements were the perpetrators, not native Poles...this is open to debate.

Liar. Britain fought a six-year war for Poland.

But of course it's no surprise to see you parrotting Nazi propaganda.

Really?...what British troops fought in Poland?...can you name me the divisions, battalions or squadrons?...who was the British commander of this 'Polish Expeditionary Corps'?...next you will tell me that the United States fought in Poland...no, the Germans and Soviets invaded Poland, and carved it up like the butcher carves the carcass...as far as Nazi propaganda, they were good at it, but not as good as some others...the British cared less about Polacks; but they were the real suckers, as the Communists and other 'aliens' in their own country brought then into a war that bankrupted their country.

In case you are russian I would really advise holding your feet still...at least Germans had the guts to admit and to atone something you Russians are still not able to do even if your hero Stalin was a much bigger mass murderer than Hitler!
And yes...compared to the Red Army the Wehrmacht was skilled and professional..but then ANY army looks skilled and professional compared to your hordes!

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This is correct...the Wehrmacht was very effective and professional, along with the Panzer units...but with 'Barbarossa' Hitler overplayed his hand (he had some bad luck, too) and put these very competent troops in a VERY bad situation.

Fought for Poland. None fought in Poland because your beloved Col. Beck refused to allow any British troops into Poland before Germany invaded. But that's just another bit of history you conveniently forget, isn't it?

His name is Karol Grünberg. I admit, some communist bias is visible. When you read books published in this period you never know whether author included few silly sentences for censors satisfaction or perhaps some facts are distorted.



I'm around the year of 1939 and I must say that relations between several Nazi military organizations doesn't look to friendly. This is interesting that such a complicated system was able to cause so many harm to so many countries.

The Bloody Sunday incident happened, the killing is confirmed by both sides. One thing we can't be sure of is why this happened. We don't know if German forces made it to Bydgoszcz and used the same provocative tactics as in Silesia or did the Polish soldiers panic, or maybe some civilians attacked Polish soldiers? I'm sure that whatever happened, it has been blown out of proportion by Goebbel's propaganda.

@Harry: I'm afraid I have to disagree. UK didn't fight for Poland, they did begin the "strange war" on the 3rd of Sept 1939. Refer to the Abbeville agreements (12 Sept 1939) between France and GB. There was no military action from GB until the Battle of Brittain (which begun in July/Aug 1940). So they actually sat where they were until attacked by Germans and fought until they secured most of France then agreed with the USA to sell us to the USSR after the war (in thanks for helping fight the Japs).

That said I'd like to remind you all that AFAIR UK didn't have an obligation to start an armed conflict with an invader (that part was to be signed but they never made it before the 1st of Sept 1939), but that would have to be reviewed by a historian as I don't have the legal text of the agreement with me.

Also the fact that GB claimed (until recently) to have found an algorithm to break the enigma (military plugboard version) code annoys many of us. But history taught in different countries just differs, many Russians still believe that USSR was in opposition to the Hitler-driven Germany from the beginning.

@joep: If you want to know what really happened why not view some interviews with people who lived through the war? Maybe some Germans who survived concentration camps in Germany (there were camps for people opposing Hitler). I've heard many of "your" theories from extreme nationalists and racists in Poland an among US polonia (driven by Radio Maryja + Nasz Dziennik and other "patriotic journalism"). Please review your theories twice before issuing statements about the truth. My grandpa survived Auschwitz and lots of corpses were burned there.

Have a nice day :)

I am shocked.

The first British plane took off for a mission over Germany within one hour of war being declared. The Abbeville agreement was that it was already too late to send troops to Poland (where would they have landed if sent? Gdynia?). The first British deaths of the war were 3 September when 118 of the 1,400 civilians travelling from England to Canada on the Athenia were killed after the ship was torpedoed without warning by a German U-boat. The first British attack of the war shows how prepared the British armed forces were: only eight of 29 RAF bombers managed to strike the German naval bases which were their target, ten of the bombers got lost, seven were shot down, three attack one of Britain's own ships, and one decided to attack neutral Denmark. All things considered, it's probably very lucky no British forces were sent to Poland.

This is a slander, both mentioned titles don't advocate any holocaust denial or racist theories. This is sad how political fanaticism pushing many to spread slanderous stories about political opponents. Stick to reality please...

Unfortunately, I am not in a position in terms of finance to interview survivors...I once had an ex-Aushwitz inmate for a landlord, and he was a pretty tough fellow, a mafia type...I don't have theories, I just try to sort out reports from various sources...no one denies that the National Socialists had forced-labor or concentration camps...this is an historical fact...what I must dispute is the accusation that the Germans used these camps for mass murders, strictly for ethnic reasons...I don't support the actions of the 'nazi' regime in any way...by the end of the war, when Germany was defeated, these camps became 'death camps' because of typhus, starvation etc....atrocities abound during a war for national survival...try clicking on the link I have posted below for an example of what the 'great' American General, Eisenhower, did to German POW's during the American occupation...if you don't like this source, try some others on your follow-up:

DWIGHT EISENHOWER'S CONCENTRATION CAMPS
http://www.rense.com/general46/germ.htm

So, there's the answer...a run-in with an ex-Auschwitz 'inmate', as you call him, changed your views forever, Joe...

He wasn't an inmate, he was a PRISONER, without any tribunal, and forced to work or die. That type of thing will destroy any meek, mild mannered person, and toughen them up after what they all had to do, simply to survive.

And that's another point, that Makdaam made: Germans were also tossed into Concentration camps, when they didn't support Hitler! That is true, and there are records to back that up.

ANYONE who stood up to Hitler, was against him, in his syphilitic mind. Ergo, off to the camps you went.

No, you chose to dispute those facts:

"We have already formed displacement policies regarding the Polish population within Poland; the ultimate task is to wipe out the Poles and repopulate lands that rightfully belong to Germany" Adolf Hitler, April 13, 1941 speech

"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it their major task to destroy all Poles." Heinrich Himmler.

i haven't read this thread in a while and i won't right now but to the above.. why did they flatten Warsaw? clue: the uprisings had nothing to do with it.



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just had to. :)

I thought the last uprising triggered it, didn't it? I mean the destruction of Warsaw.

This thinking thing really is a problem for you isn't it? Hitler didn't order Warsaw to be destroyed because of the Uprising: he ordered it to be turned into a lake.

For a more balanced view of Wermacht forces and their composition, start here:
http://cghs.dadeschools.net/normandy/balanceofforces/german/wehrmacht_ composition.htm

As far as mass gassings, please give me proof...you offer none...for an ironic twist on this 'gassing', refer to Post #75 of mine on this thread...From your accusations, the whole German people must have been in the Wermacht, and must have done nothing but 'gas' Jews...and, no, I was quite proficient in math in both elementary and secondary school: however, I preferred the Arts & Humanities.

yes but the nazis had a bigger plan for warsaw.
i don't think so although that is what he possibly said. germans had a whole new city planned in place of warsaw. you'd have to google around to find out what it was. i am not sure if this is common knowledge but it was in PL.. there are even books about it.


there is no evidence of gas chambers? are you off your freaking rocker? wow. i dare you to go to any concentration camp in PL and say that out loud.

Quite right. The Swedish granite which was used to make the monument to the heroes of the ghetto uprising was ordered by the Nazis and brought to Warsaw to be made into the victory arch which would sit in the centre of the rebuilt Aryan Warsaw after the war. Apparently Hitler threw all of his toys out of the pram after the Warsaw uprising and the plan was changed.

@lesser:

Oh please don't call me a fanatic. And yes I'm an opponent fooling innocent people into giving their life's savings to some crazy radio. If you are looking for enemies everywhere feel free to place me on the Judogermanic members of the Russian Freemasonry list. Thanks for your voice but I don't want to feed the troll anymore.

@Harry:

That's interesting and I've never heard about RAF taking off and heading for Germany in the first days of war. It would be great if you could provide some details or sources.

@joep:

Let's assume for a moment that most history books are true and that gassings were done the way they are described, ie: after getting a full cargo carriage of victims and unloading them in a concentration camp German guards tell them to take a bath first (after being locked for a few days in a carriage without water and food that would seem quite welcome) so they go to baths, the door are shut, gas released and no additional guards required. Bodies are handled by prisoners. How many people can be killed that way in an hour in a room 30m x 6m with a decent ventilation system?

Sure.
At 11.15 a.m. on 3 September 1939, Britain's Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain made a statement announcing that Britain was at war with Germany.

"At one minute after noon on 3 September 1939 a Blenheim piloted by Fg Off A McPherson took off on a reconnaissance mission to Wilhelmshaven."
http://www.rafupwood.co.uk/wyton.html

Further support here:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=MuGsf0psjvcC&pg=PA306&lpg=PA306&dq= raf+%223+september%22+1939+McPherson+&source=web&ots=K4TwvfVEfL&sig=So uzmS2-wlCjymlVJQDdn2Wmzjk&hl=en

So how different was that from, let's say, picking the phone and calling the British Embassy in Warsaw and asking "hey, so wuzzup?"

well... picking up the phone to wawa embassy would result in some fuker moaning for about being a victim for hours on end.