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guest [Guest]
  Jul 11, 06, 00:37  #1

What is happening in polish politics?

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guest [Guest]
  Jul 11, 06, 00:41  #2

What is happening in polish politics?

What is Lech Kaczynski doing? How can he appoint his brother (who is not popular)
Have the poles not learnt from previous errors.

I think he will pay dearly for appointing his brother, over to you my friends for you opinions.

Corruption in poland is still a way of life

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 11, 06, 02:51  #3

Well - the situation in which twin brothers hold the post of both President and PM might be unusual - but this way at least everything is clear cose Jaroslaw Kaczynski had been running the government from the back seat from the momment he appointed Marcinkiewicz to the post of PM.

Right now all the decisions made by the government ought to become more efficient - besides J. Kaczynski is an extreamly sly politician and he has a very good sense of strategic planning - I trust that - as always he has a couple of hidden cards and we should be ready for a couple of suprises that will ensure the continuation and success of this government.

I find pitty with Marcinkiewicz - he`s a good man and he had a great contact with the public - it might seem that PiS treated him badly becaouse they ordered him to resign - but the party has other plans for him right now - if he`s going to prove himself and he`s going to become the Warsaws mayour - in 5 years (if not earlier) from now he`s going to be nominated by PiS to run for the presidency - which he very high chances to win (and I would like seeing him as President in the fututre) - this is becaouse Jaroslaws brother had proven to be a little bit of a disapointment as President and becaouse of his heart problems it`s possible he might not make it to the endo of his turn.

Stanisław Kluza became the new finance minister - and that is very good for the economy. If Sikorski is going to remain defense minister and Giertych is going to continue his job as minister of education - this government is fine with me.

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btw. I`ve voted for PO

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gavin [Guest]
  Jul 15, 06, 05:12  #4

In about 10 years time Poland will be booming just look at Ireland now in the 1980's ireland woz nothing now its the second richest country in europe so mayb now is time to get property in poland if u can as eventually they will rise. I think if im correct that is starting to happen.With EU eventually big companies will arrive in poland making jobs and many poles will be able to return if there is jobs with proper pay

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 15, 06, 05:25  #5

Well, we`re recivng foreign investents worth some $8-10 billion per year (compare that to China`s $50-60 billion per year) and right now some companies have dificoulties in finding workers - for the manual jobs..

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rafik
  Jul 15, 06, 06:26  #6

Quoting: gavin, Post #4
In about 10 years time Poland will be booming just look at Ireland now in the 1980's ireland woz nothing now its the second richest country in europe so mayb now is time to get property in poland if u can as eventually they will rise. I think if im correct that is starting to happen.With EU eventually big companies will arrive in poland making jobs and many poles will be able to return if there is jobs with proper pay

try to explain it to LEF

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Dux [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 14:56  #7

The Duck Brothers rule~!!!

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Marky [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 15:09  #8

I've heard many Polish people considered or are considering immigrating to another country because of the Duck (Kaczynski) Team. Is it true? What are their and their party/parties objective advantages/disadvantages? Thanks,

Mark

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 15:20  #9

Quoting: Marky, Post #8
I've heard many Polish people considered or are considering immigrating to another country because of the Duck (Kaczynski) Team. Is it true? What are their and their party/parties objective advantages/disadvantages? Thanks,

Mark


This is some kind of nonsense - PiS is a party similar to the Republicans (though when it comes to social wealfare it`s a little bit more to the left than the Republicans) in the US - and this is the reason for the black propaganda made by the Euro-lefties as well as our indigious ex-communists.

You can comapre to all of the bullshit about the Kaczynski brothers to all of the bullshit that is being spread about Bush - it`s the same thing.

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Marky [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 17:27  #10

Ok then, I understand (even though people in the US do have the right to complain at the current administration). But that's another pair of shoes .

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chrzaszcz [Guest]
  Jul 20, 06, 20:13  #11

It was a little unfortunate for PiS to come up with this acronym (PIS) -- it's easy to make joke out of that...

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polishmancan
  Jul 21, 06, 14:27  #12

Is there anywhere where I can get Polish immigration (into Poland, and the U.S. statistics) as well as how many people are emmigrating (leaving) Poland?

Also, what is the European birth rate? Polish birth rates? Are they really as bad as projected? Why is European birth rate going down? Is life really that bad over there that people don't want to (or can't afford) to bring enough children into it?) Sorry if it sounds ignorant, but that is what we are taught in the States.............

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 22, 06, 05:03  #13

Quoting: Marky, Post #10
Ok then, I understand (even though people in the US do have the right to complain at the current administration). But that's another pair of shoes


There`s a big difference between criticism and slander as well as dirty personal attacks. This government during the last 9 months had been a subject of the last two, both at home and abroad on a scale that had never been seen untill now.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 22, 06, 05:33  #14

Quoting: polishmancan, Post #12
Is there anywhere where I can get Polish immigration (into Poland, and the U.S. statistics) as well as how many people are emmigrating (leaving) Poland?

Also, what is the European birth rate? Polish birth rates? Are they really as bad as projected? Why is European birth rate going down? Is life really that bad over there that people don't want to (or can't afford) to bring enough children into it?) Sorry if it sounds ignorant, but that is what we are taught in the States.............


When it comes to Poland then the anual migration rate is:

-0.46 migrant(s)/1,000 population (2006 est.) which means that if you`d take the number of people who are migrating here as well as the people who are immigrating then the population of Poland is decreasing becaouse of migration by:

38536869*0,00046 = 17.727 =c.a. 18.000 people

When we`re talking about the EU then the total EU population is increasing becaouse of migration by:

456953258*0,00150 = 685.429 = 685.500 people each year.

And when we`re talking about the US - then becaouse of migration the US population is increasing by:

298444215*0,00318 = 939.053= 939.100 people each year.

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When it comes to fertility then an average woman in:

- Poland has 1.25 children
- EU has 1.47 children - which incloudes the Muslim bayby boomers who have ca. 5 children.
- US has 2.09 children - which incloudes the Mexican bayby boomers.

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all the numbers you can find here:

www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook

I wouldn`t say that
Quoting: polishmancan, Post #12
Is life really that bad over there that people don't want to (or can't afford) to bring enough children into it?)


It`s only that white people don`t want to have children - and when they do they usually want to have only one child.

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polishmancan
  Jul 26, 06, 16:39  #15

Birth of a notion: Incentives offered for having more kids
By Veronika Oleksyn

The Associated Press

BEN RADFORD - GETTY IMAGES

A French fan holds a baby prior to kickoff during the World Cup semifinal match between Portugal and France in Munich on July 5.

VIENNA, Austria - Europeans are thinking twice - and sometimes three, four or five times -before having kids.

But benefits that are the envy of parents elsewhere may be boosting birth rates in some countries, baby step by baby step.

FULL TEXT

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polishmancan
  Jul 26, 06, 16:40  #16

I know this is Aussie but it is still kind of relavant since it mentions Poland.

Aussie birth rate increases in wake of cash incentives

DPA , SYDNEY
Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006,Page 5

Advertising Australia's birth rate has risen since the government sang from the "one for Mum, one for Dad and one for the country" songsheet and began paying out A$3,000 (US$2,100) for every new baby born, figures released yesterday showed.
But Treasurer Peter Costello wants to hear the pitter-patter of more tiny feet and is urging citizens to "procreate and cherish" in order to reverse the declining fertility rate that is the bane of Australia -- and most other rich countries.

The whole article here.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 26, 06, 17:18  #17

That money paid for newly born children are not enough. It`s a problem of mentality where people see children as a problem. Abortions have also a lot to do with that issue ..i.e. in the UK there are around 200.000 abortions each year - there should be less abortions and more adoptions.. And there should be changes in the tax system which would set preferences for families who have 2-3 children (this last issue should be available in Poland begining from next year).

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Shelley [Guest]
  Jul 27, 06, 04:29  #18

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #17
e. in the UK there are around 200.000 abortions each year


I'm not condoning or condeming abortion - I dont think any woman would do it without good reason.


Wouldnt you agree that before the fall of communism Poland's abortion rates were high and only because it's illegal now you have low rates - only in extenuating circumstances may a woman have an abortion - rape, abnormalities or if there is a risk to the mothers health.

And I'll tell you why birth rates have dropped in the UK, women dont want to settle for some loser and decent men are not in abundance, I for one would love to have children but only when I'm married to someone I want to spend the rest of my life with.

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Guest
  Jul 27, 06, 05:28  #19

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #13
There`s a big difference between criticism and slander as well as dirty personal attacks. This government during the last 9 months had been a subject of the last two, both at home and abroad on a scale that had never been seen untill now.


You are paranoid.You should get out more



                              
 
truebrit
  Jul 27, 06, 11:31  #20

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #17
Abortions have also a lot to do with that issue ..i.e. in the UK there are around 200.000 abortions each year


These are official figures in a country where abortion is legal-but what is the real figure in Poland (in every country where abortion is banned there are many dangerous illegal abortions).The figure is probably similar.

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guest-iwona [Guest]
  Jul 27, 06, 12:23  #21

These are official figures in a country where abortion is legal-but what is the real figure in Poland (in every country where abortion is banned there are many dangerous illegal abortions).The figure is probably similar.

I don't know if it is similar. Probbaly our attitude is different. I think that lots of women who have abortion usually feel guilty about it later. I really don't know about England- I haven't been here for so long. But when I read about abortions child still alive left to die or eutanasia - people going to Switzerland to do it., or old people left to die in hospital what for to save them and waste money? I don't know maybe papers are brainwashing people realitty is not so bad but I prefer our maybe old-fashion by humanitarian Poland.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Jul 28, 06, 03:32  #22

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #21
I think that lots of women who have abortion usually feel guilty about it later


I dont see how any woman could not feel guilt what ever the circumstances

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Fan [Guest]
  Jul 28, 06, 10:15  #23

Quoting: Shelley, Post #22
I dont see how any woman could not feel guilt what ever the circumstances

That's what people who dont' believe in anything claim. I know a girl whose life was ruined because she did abortion in her young age - my advise is "Do not do it".

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 31, 06, 07:49  #24

Quoting: truebrit, Post #20
These are official figures in a country where abortion is legal-but what is the real figure in Poland (in every country where abortion is banned there are many dangerous illegal abortions).The figure is probably similar.


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The official number of legal abortions is around 3000 each year. You`d have to add to this number an estimated 7000-13000 illegal abortions each that are being carried out each year.

npr.prolife.pl/podziemie.htm

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Shelley [Guest]
  Jul 31, 06, 08:20  #25

Whatever the legal or illegal, it shows that sex eductation is lacking or parents dont put the fear of god in to their daughters as much as mind did! i agree it's too easy in the UK - it's our "everything is disposable attitude" - it's just very sad I think

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truebrit
  Jul 31, 06, 08:58  #26

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #24
The official number of legal abortions is around 3000 each year. You`d have to add to this number an estimated 7000-13000 illegal abortions each that are being carried out each year.


The actual number of illegal abortions in Poland is much higher.Until 1993 (when still legal) it was 180000 per year.

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truebrit
  Jul 31, 06, 09:01  #27

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #21
Probbaly our attitude is different

Quoting: guest-iwona, Post #21
I prefer our maybe old-fashion by humanitarian Poland.


Until 1993 (when still legal) there were 180000 abortions per year in Poland.Everyone who comes to the UK think they are so much better than the British because they do not know what happens in their own country.At least in the UK we are aware of our problems.

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Wujek_Dobra_Rada [Guest]
  Jul 31, 06, 09:15  #28

Quoting: truebrit, Post #27
Until 1993 (when still legal) there were 180000 abortions per year in Poland.Everyone who comes to the UK think they are so much better than the British because they do not know what happens in their own country.At least in the UK we are aware of our problems.


And the source of that number is - immagination, air ?

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year/total births/fertility/abortions/miscarriages during pregnancies
1965 546,4 2,52 168587 66 797
1970 546,0 2,2 148219 65 103
1975 643,8 2,27 138634 73 273
1976 670,1 2,302 140909 74 455
1977 662,6 2,23 143486 73 047
1978 666,3 2,205 145630 77 658
1980 692,8 2,276 137950 68 757
1981 678,8 2,235 132894 69 879
1982 702,4 2,336 138977 77 053
1983 720,8 2,416 130980 74 011
1984 699,0 2,372 132844 76 378
1985 677,6 2,329 135564 72 785
1986 634,7 2,217 129716 68 006
1987 605,5 2,154 123534 66 751
1988 587,7 2,126 105333 59 076
1989 562,5 2,078 82137 59 549
1990 545,8 2,039 59417 59 454
1991 549,0 2,049 30878 55 992
1992 513,6 1,929 11640 51 802
1993 492,9 1,847 1240 53 057
1994 481,3 1,798 782 46 970
1995 433,1 1,611 559 45 300
1996 428,2 1,58 505 45 054
1997 412,7 1,508 3047 44 185
1998 395,6 1,431 310 43 959
1999 382,0 1,37 151 41 586

federa.org.pl/publikacje/raporty/aborcja2000/aborcja2000_2. htm

(source: GUS)

Before 1993 - in 1992 there were exacly 11640 abortions carried out in Poland.

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truebrit
  Jul 31, 06, 09:23  #29

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada, Post #28
Before 1993 - in 1992 there were exacly 11640 abortions carried out in Poland


The number of abortions when it was still legal in Poland was around 180000.POlish women now travel abroad for abortions:

womenonwaves.org/set-1020.53-nl.html

womensenews.org/article.cfm?aid=2809

Sorry but once again you cannot admit reality.

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Shelley [Guest]
  Jul 31, 06, 09:28  #30

look - two men here having a debate about something that will never affect you......like I said education is the best way to solve these matters, not two stuborn blokes - with the whole 'my figures are better than your's attitude'...I think this subject should now be closed because the pair of you are starting to get on my nerves and trust me that takes some doing!

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