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telefonitika
  Feb 28, 08, 16:23  #31

dtaylor wrote:
Oh but Tele, u commented on my sheep!!:P:P:P


i did sweetie .. i did ... he was a lovely sheep and looked quite at home in his field :P ;P


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Seanus
  Feb 28, 08, 16:38  #32

Sheep, what what?


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espana
Edited by: espana  Feb 29, 08, 16:10  #33

lesser wrote:
You have made some anti-socialist statements in the past so you cannot be a fascist. [/quote
[quote=lesser] Every fascist is a socialist from definition

i m not sure about this. explain that please
lesser wrote:
Being fascist is pretty pathetic

not a lot
In October 1933 José Antonio Primo de Rivera established the Falange Española (Spanish Falange). In its manifesto published later that year the Falange condemned socialism, Marxism, republicanism and capitalism and proposed that Spain should become a Fascist state


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lesser
  Feb 29, 08, 16:27  #34

fascism
a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

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Fascism is founded on socialism like communism. If you replace in this definition nationalism/racism by internationalism then you have basically definition of communism. The point is that fascists and communists hate each other so much because they consist two radical parts of the same socialist camp. They are worth each other, they would ruin every country in which they would gain the power. (and this is pathetic)


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espana
Edited by: espana  Feb 29, 08, 16:38  #35

espana wrote:
the Falange condemned socialism, Marxism, republicanism and capitalism and proposed that Spain should become a Fascist state

so what do you think about this?


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southern
Edited by: southern  Feb 29, 08, 16:44  #36

lesser wrote:
Fascism is founded on socialism like communism


Very wrong.Fascism has nothing to do with communism.There is only one similarity.They use the same methods to gain power,what was described in the '30s as gangster methods.Basically the Bolsheviks invented them and Mussolini imitated them giving inspiration to Hitler.Both had seriously studied the methods used by communists.

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lesser
  Feb 29, 08, 16:55  #37

From what I have read about Primo de Riviera, I would take him over Mussolini but still this is unacceptable. Old Falange consisted important but for the sake of Spain just a part of the Francist camp in the civil war. Indeed Spain is good example to to proof my point. After the civil war old Falange (good at battlefield) was the most influential part in coalition. However for the sake of Spain they could not do whether they wanted, other groups prevented them from taking total control. In effect although Spanish economy struggled, the country was not completely devastated. With time Franco noticed that this model simply don't work and Falange lost its importance, while people from Opus Dei liberalized economy and brought prosperity. Thus Falange was great to help take the power from the reds but very bad when running the country. This is because fascism is like communism, economic model is almost the same. If communism don't work then neither fascism.


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espana
Edited by: espana  Feb 29, 08, 16:59  #38

is true , i agree with that.
but all the spanish falangistas are from the opus dei in spain........so is difficult

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lesser
  Mar 2, 08, 05:31  #39

Fascist Falange of Jose Antonio Primo de Riveria before the civil war was a different party from united francist Falange after the civil war.


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