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What has Poland contributed to the Western civilisation?


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adilski
  May 30, 07, 18:17  #61

i aint got a clue about what your on about..
Quoting: southern
according to you

soemtimes what you read in books or has been passed on cannot be the truth.. there are several views ont he same situation, also one should recognise the context.. forget the past speak of here and now..
carrots.. was up doc???????????

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southern
  May 30, 07, 18:20  #62

Quoting: adilski
carrots.. was up doc???????????


You do not know the whip and the carrot?

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southern
  May 30, 07, 18:24  #63

[quote=adilski] aint got a clue about what your on about..

It is simple.In 1683 Turks tried to capture Vienna.They started the siege and few days before Vienna would fell,a brand new polish army appeared.
Then sth happened to the Turks.

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southern
  May 30, 07, 18:27  #64

For the Austrians the turkish army was another attraction that was lost.

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polishcanuck
  May 30, 07, 18:32  #65

In this oil crazed world we live in, how could anyone forget Ignacy Lukasiewicz...?



More Polish contributors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famous_Poles

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dermi [Guest]
  May 30, 07, 18:37  #66

This is some kinde of provocation. Stay awake.

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adilski
  May 30, 07, 18:58  #67

Quoting: southern
It is simple.In 1683 Turks tried to capture Vienna.They started the siege and few days before Vienna would fell,a brand new polish army appeared.
Then sth happened to the Turks.

dont you have anything interesting in your life... ur just obsessed wid nonsense... and ur history is biased furthermore you were not present therefore the situation was not witnessed by yourself therefore you do not actually know if what you read actually happened.... people pass on information for their own motives sometimes.. when you open your eyes to other sources and other sources then you actually think objectively - it is very hard to know exactly what happened at that time... best thing to do is to learn from it... no to war, no to guns, no to violenece, yes to peace, yes to love, yes to humanity

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ConstantineK
  May 31, 07, 05:40  #68

Quoting: Tlum
Quoting: guests, Post #13
Roman Empire,Ancient Greece

I thought we were talking about the modern times here...


Hemmm....what? Ancient Romans and Greeks were Polish too?

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ConstantineK
  May 31, 07, 05:41  #69

Quoting: Wujek_Dobra_Rada
and in politics - probably prof. Zbigniew Brzeziński


;-)))) nice, degenerative face!!!1

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ConstantineK
  May 31, 07, 06:06  #70

Quoting: Grzegorz_
Quoting: southern
Kaluga


No idea, but sounds rather more eastern.


City in Russia

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joepilsudski
  May 31, 07, 09:33  #71

As far as contributions to civilization, presently there is a Polish-American young man
named David Rudkowski, who is active in what some call the '9/11' Truth movement in
the USA, who recently confronted the ageing Globalist pig David Rockefeller on the street. outside the Rockefeller house in NYC, and questioned him about curious state-
ments he made in effect predicting the attack on the WTC... seeing as how many Amer-
icans are still asleep about who/what really caused that tragedy, this young man did
his part to bring things to light...check out the infowars.com website for the video...also,
didn't Josef Pilsudski stopr the Bolshevik army at Warsaw in 1920, preventing Commu-
nism from overunning all of Eastern Europe at that time & also obtaining independence
for Poland for the first time in 200 or so years?

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ConstantineK
  Jun 1, 07, 01:29  #72

Quoting: adilski
is christianity a european religion...
did it spread by the sword..


Deus lo volt ! (crusaders call) ;-((((

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TheKruk
  Jun 1, 07, 04:02  #73

Quoting: joepilsudski
didn't Josef Pilsudski stopr the Bolshevik army at Warsaw in 1920, preventing Commu-
nism from overunning all of Eastern Europe at that time

You bet he did ! Viva Pilsudski
And it pisses me off there is a huge statue of Joe in Katowice with a spot for an eternal flame and it is never lit!! Pilsudski looked like he could put his head through a brick wall without batting an eyelash wouldn't mess with him on a bet.

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bocko [Guest]
  Jun 2, 07, 11:07  #74

During the 1650's, (the period is known in Poland as the Deluge) Estimates range anywhere from 1/4 to 1/2 of the population being wiped out by war, or as a result of the wars with Sweden, Cossacks, and others. Although Poland came out victorious, it was left in ruins, literally. The deluge also coincided with a huge economic crisis due to prices dropping for food exports, which Poland's economy depended on. The food prices dropped because countries like France now had a source of limitless practically free food and materials from the Americas.

From that time onwards Poland fought many more wars, which included destroying the Ottomans (with whom the French conspired, btw) power in Europe, setting them back 200 years. However, Poland was weakened enough for Russia to take much political control, this of course did not stop Poland from writing the first constitution in Europe, or from forming the world's first ministry of education. During the partitions, Poles were subjugated to brutal policies of Germanization and Russification, were often not allowed to study, had to endure humiliation and discrimination on a daily basis, and witnessed an enormous amount of art, books, documents, (basically anything of importance to the Polish nation) burned or taken away to Russia or Germany. In spite of this nightmare, Poland produced many great writers, musicians, scientists, explorers, etc. Most of whom were lucky enough to leave occupied Poland. Had they not left Poland, the likes of Curie - Sklodowska or Chopin would never be known. Interestingly enough, most dissidents went to France because of the stable and prosperous political and social climate there.

Young Poles not only fought during uprisings, but also as forced conscripts in German, Russian or Austrian armies, not to mention in Napoleon's armies. Poland gained it's independence only after the first world war, and re-possessed a land decimated by the effects of the first great war, where so much fighting took place between Germans and Russians. Often overlooked, this left the country in ruins, yet again. Once more, countless Poles were forced to fight and die in foreign armies.

In the first few years of independence, Poland had to fight another 6 wars just to stay on the map, and in the meanwhile defeated the red army which was hell-bent on marching on the corpse of Poland to unite with German communists. After only 2 decades, once again, Germany and Russia occupied and destroyed Poland, taking over 6 million citizens, with the intelligentsia, clergy, and leadership being the biggest targets. It is estimated that Poland lost over 50% of its wealth during the war. Of course, after the war, Poland was occupied by the Soviets. God only knows how many people were killed or imprisoned, or how much was looted from Poland during this time. It should be noted that from the 19th century to this very day Poland has suffered almost constant brain-drain due to emigration which was seen as the only way out.

With all that being said, being the home of the fathers of modern day astronomy and oil industry, some of the best mathematicians (Lwow school), having practically fed western Europe for centuries with enormous amounts of exports of grain, while at the same time often being the only defender of Christendom fighting off the Turks (1683 Vienna, if not for Poland Europe could have fallen-- instead the Turks were set back 200 years, their power forever being reduced) and Mongols while western Europe watched and meddled, saving Europe from Communism literally months after regaining independence (1919-1920) then fighting both Nazism and Communism and just recently being the catalyst in the fall of the iron curtain all the while producing incredible art and music most of which remains unknown in the western world solely due to politics, or in other instances because some great literary works simply cannot be translated into comprehensible English (to give just one example), having a the closest thing resembling a democracy (wiec, sejm) centuries before anyone else in modern Europe, being open to and a haven for all people, regardless of ethnicity or religion, the first constitution in Europe, first ministry of education in the world, I could go on and on...is no small task

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ilteris
  Jun 3, 07, 14:57  #75

adam mickievicz is a famous revolutionist

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Eurola
Edited by: Eurola  Jun 3, 07, 15:10  #76

Yes, a revolutionary, but more of a poet, actually... :)

kirjasto.sci.fi/mickie.htm

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ilteris
  Jun 5, 07, 11:47  #77

but we cant deny his efforts in the liberty of poland

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dx49
  Jun 5, 07, 23:34  #78

Quoting: polishmancan
(is he the MOST popular Pole NHL player ever???)


Yes, or very close.

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Oscypek
Edited by: Oscypek  Jun 6, 07, 09:59  #79

Oscypek!

And... I'll also add another name:

Andrzej Tadeusz Bonawentura Kościuszko -- He was a Brigadier General in 1783 in the American Revolutionary War and later became Naczelnik (Commander-in-Chief) of all Polish-Lithuanian forces fighting against Russian occupation in 1794.

Here's more information:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tadeusz_Kościuszko

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