I have concerns over the immigration policy so I wrote to my MP.

Hunting aboriginies was legal until the late 1920s which is a long time after Australians took responsibility for themselves. When confronted about this on a recent trip to England, the great Australian ambassador Kevin 'Bloody' Wilson replied in time honoured Australian tradition: Does It Look Like I Give A Fuk. Yindee Yindee blue

*whispers* The lights from your monitor arent really the suns rays Issy.



Sorry, I meant Dead or Alive ;-)



Once again you take a post and bend it your own ends. Not surprised really. The warms beer's getting to your head - watch those menthol dregs - they make my head spin too.

lmao, I love your humor Dan
(vafunkool,in case you hadnt picked up already this bannter is playfull,I love Aus' and Ozi's in general,kinda forced too as dozens of my family have lived there for generations :) )

Cheers itu, had realised. My remark was equally playful - holding an Ozi passport I feel entitled to laugh at them too

Russians and others claimed them as their own statistics, as they were fighting under the leadership of their armies.


An example how friendly Russians could be, they LOVE you to death.


Especially the ones that died in “Siberian Health Spas” where even the best Russian physicians could not prevent it. (Now that’s Oxymoron) But I guess it’s rational to a Russian.

Why have you not posted your alleged letter on this forum?,
If you are not coming from the "bloody foreigners angle", who should be aloud in to "your country" and who should decide on what criteria?
what do you do with the people who are already there and do not fit into your management of these people?
I could not agree more, but you are suggesting, in some form not yet specified to "manage" The volume of immigrants , so some will fill your criteria and others will not, whose freedom are you talking about?
This some problem has alwayscexisted before in England, I really hope that in the near future that history will not repeat itself and there will not be "No Polish need apply" signs hanging up.
Europe has changed and it will take more time for things to balance out. I Hope you (or anyone else) can put forward constructive ways of Managing immigrants, I just can't see a way that would not restrict people in our free Europe.

Pint of lager and some pork scratchnigs please. Actually, could you make that 2 lagers. thanks mate.

SeanBM:

Why have you not posted your alleged letter on this forum?,
If you are not coming from the "bloody foreigners angle", who should be aloud in to "your country" and who should decide on what criteria?
what do you do with the people who are already there and do not fit into your management of these people?

I didn't post the letter on here as not everyone is going to want to read it, however, I offered to send it via PM to anyone who wanted to read it. About half or dozen or so people asked to see it.

Would you like to read it ?

The letter itself was posted last Monday, so it should have been read by now.

The criteria for foreigners to have the right to live and work here should be based on the skills they have and the skills we need. They should be also able to support themselves financially, have proof of an offer of employment, be able to speak English to a reasonable level and have a place to stay. I understand that anyone who goes to Poland to work should have enough cash on them to support themselves to the tune of approx £50 a day. Something like that makes perfect sense.

They shouldn't be entitled to register for council housing and if they want treatment on the NHS or give birth to a child here, they should pay for it. If they bring their kids with them and want them to go to school, they should pay for private education. Once they've paid into the system for five years and want to make the UK their home, then that's different and then they can start using things like the NHS that the rest of us have been paying into for years and years.

This should apply to ANYONE looking to move here from ANYWHERE. If I moved to another country, I would expect a similar process.

SeanBM:

I could not agree more, but you are suggesting, in some form not yet specified to "manage" The volume of immigrants , so some will fill your criteria and others will not, whose freedom are you talking about?
This some problem has alwayscexisted before in England, I really hope that in the near future that history will not repeat itself and there will not be "No Polish need apply" signs hanging up.
Europe has changed and it will take more time for things to balance out. I Hope you (or anyone else) can put forward constructive ways of Managing immigrants, I just can't see a way that would not restrict people in our free Europe.

I was meaning more that the UK Government have handed out all the freedom (of movement), but don't want to take responsibility for any negative impact that it has.

The last thing I want to see is "No Polish Need Apply" signs or anything like that. Nor to I want to hear on the news how things become violent as a result of resentment between communities.

Any managing of migration has to be a control on the freedom of movement. Look at an atlas and see what a tiny place the UK is. It's just not going to work to have so many people coming here.

Yes Europe has changed, but the majority of British people do not see themselves as European however much the Government wished we do.

The British Government has put its fingers in its ears and ignored the problem hoping it would go away.

The English that complain about Poles tend to be from the working class. The educated classes don't feel threatened.

How condisending is that? The "educated class" the "working class".....You dont think you can be both?
Well,if its only those working class types affected,who cares,stuff em,give em more time to watch trisha eat food from iceland and beat their wives with half empty cans of special brew.....

how many times i had to speak in english in my country for help wankers like you.
how many english go to spain to work in bars etc? is that skills?
do you think the nhs is the best in europe? i dont think soo
i m tired of ignorant like you

condescending, it may be. Nope because if you come from the working classes and have educated yourself, you then become part of the educated classes'.

Class segregation exists whether you like it or not.

With such a treatment, after the fifth year I'm grabbing my UK passport and I'm off to e.g. one of ANZAC countries. Sorry pal, but why should I pay twice for the same thing ?

you dont deserve this passaport you are a shame for the polish people

Charming!

I'm not ignorant, I just want a more level playing field rather than what we have at the moment which is all stacked in favour everyone but the British.

I wouldn't go to work in another country if I couldn't communicate in their language on a reasonable level.

No I don't think that the NHS is the best in Europe, far from it. That's why I think the scarce resources shouldn't be used on people who have just pitched up here.

I'm tried of tossers like you who jump to conclusions about what people are thinking.

Question shall we repatriate all non English staff in the NHS, let us jolly Old Brits have our NHS back and run it as a proud British institution, Like Rover, or Northern Rock...
We are currently entering a period of recession and when the immigrant workers stop wanting to work in the UK, then my friend we will know that the Boat is sunk.

You should post it here, Mr. H.!
IMO it would be much better for everybody if the UK would've allowed the work permit to SOME Poles only. Only the ones with needed skills, language, clean record etc. This way the Britts wouldn't feel threatened by the Poles and the Poles living in the UK wouldn't have to put up with the prejudice from the Britts.

UK can always leave EU, and market for their goods will be closed ...



shut the fuk up :)


I don't understd why so many brits come here (PF) and moan about their government policy or about imigration.

WE DON'T CARE IT IS POLISH FORUM NOT BRITISH. Poland has own problems ...

I AM PROUD THAT SO MANY POLISH PEPLE SEND MONEY TO POLAND =)

yep me too I'm proud and I'm not Polish...

Well, I am proud of them too. But the fact is that it would be much better for EVERYBODY (Poles and Britts) if the UK Government allowed only Poles with needed skilled jobs, education, and most of all English language skills. Much better for both Britts and Poles IMO.

They have to leave EU ... to do it. It is not possible in different way.

there was several discussions about that. It is British problem not our. Last time there is more discussions about UK here than about Poland. I don't care about UK.

I disagree with your opinion, we are now the European Union, all people should have the right to move freely around and work. The days of the "british empire" are gone. Britain for brits, is what it sounds like you are saying, of course you will let a chosen few, who suit your needs to enter the country, god knows there are toilets to be cleaned. Thank goodness your government have the sence to join.
This same bull opinion has been coming from some brits for ever, it used to be about Irish people going to England now it's the Poles, it is time to stop sounding like a broken record and get with it, you must think about things in a boarder European sence, if not all our country's will fall behind.


Without posting your letter, people are bound to jump to conclusions and name calling does not help.

It never hurts having two, as many of my compatriots do.

i can have two becouse my wife is english but i choose to keep the spanish one only becouse i m proud of my identity.
spanish , english , french are proud of their nationality but it seems like polish are not , sad mate!!! :(

It's only a passport. I'm not going to cease being a Pole. Polish passport will never give you such a possibility of mobility like the ones you mentioned.

the problem here is that the british are giving a hand and some of the people are taking all the arm , i do understand how mister h can fell about this but i hope in the future that this hand still there open for us , and the british make sure nobody take its arm anymore .

It's a hard question for sure, one which calls for a measured response. It was Paul Weller who said, "You made your bed, you better lye in it" (Going Underground). Britain made the bed and there are some strange bedfellows for sure but we have to live with that. The problem is exacerbated somewhat by the fact that we were stretched a little b4 the immigration wave. Many people were waiting for council housing and should have been first in the pecking order but that wasn't always the case.

Brits, like Poles, have a tendency to feel hard done by, a bit of the self-piteous, poor me attitude. We have some justification but many Poles are making great efforts and inroads towards getting property for bigger groups. We see 8-10 people in 1 house which alleviates some of the strain on housing authorities. What does irritate me a little is the tendency to see the UK as a haven. We do have some 'undesirables' but I am not a Tory so that doesn't niggle at me much.

Finally, I urge PF members to be more rational (OMG, I sound like a politician). Mr H made some valid points and didn't take a radical position. Get off his back, to even insinuate that he is a BNP man is WELL wide of the mark. Start reading and absorbing his message. I have defended immigration in the past, and still do, but phasing/weeding out those who view the UK as a sanctuary would be in our national interest, and the Brits have always valued that.

You made some good points Seanus.

The question I have to the British who have problems with immigration is this - how has the immigration effected you in a personal and negative way such that you see fit to complain about it. If the answer is it hasn't, then aren't your complaints disingenuous?

I think the main concern is the sheer numbers and how this has affected resources - and because of the negative press that the Polish are receiving couple this will the fact the companies will pay Polish less in the majoirty of cases (obviously not all) it is in some ways having a negative effect, England isnt a cheap place to live, if you live alone, it's a different story if you are sharing with several other people, of course you can maybe work for £1 or £2 less and I think Dan, that is the bottom line.

There is also the contentious issue of child support being paid to Polish people in Poland out of British taxes....I dont believe that the Polish are the most hated immagrants