Dec 28, 2011, 05:00am #
Okay, perhaps you would care to address the issue of how Jewish individuals were pushed out of Polish universities in the 30's? Go ahead.
Under the same rationale that in contemporary United States (and elsewhere) is called "affirmative action". In the U.S., by the way, it also affects Jews, who normally, due to valuing education, normally tend to be overrepresented in academia. I am not 100% sure, but I think the landmark lawsuit challenging this discrimination (in Michigan) was brought by a Jewish student. Will I make a mistake if I guess that you are an advocate of AA? (for the record, I am NOT). My point is: as much as I am strongly against ANY quota, the Polish policies were not unique enough to claim any unique persecution of Jews by bad Poles. To make such claims one has to uniquely hate Poles.
Davies was discriminated against not because of his ethnicity, not because he expressed any controversial views, but simply because he didn't cater with an acceptable level of zeal to American-Jewish bigotry.
I think you're over exaggerating the importance of Poland to the vast majority of Jews.
I will gladly stop exaggerating. I only need one thing: stoping seeing hateful lies. Also, if sacrificing the academic integrity is a worthy means (the Davies' case), then perhaps this importance is not so small, after all.
Incidentally, where is your proof that Applebaum was "raised in the atmosphere of anti-Polish hate"?
Incidentally, where is my suggestion that she was? Perhaps I need to repeat my reasoning in Polish, to avoid any possible language barrier (I hope the Mod will not mind, it's redundant, just a clarification of the earlier reasoning): Podważasz wiarygodność Applebaum argumentem, że Jej mąż jest Polakiem. Nie ośmielisz się jednak podważyć wiarygodności historyka Holocaustu, który przypadkiem jest amerykańskim Żydem (z potencjalnymi uprzedzeniami etnicznymi charkterystycznymi dla tego środowiska) na podobnej zasadzie. Zgadłem?
especially as no attempt is made to admit responsibility for anything that Poland might have done.
Specifically, the discussed thread was about the allegations that Poland, as a rule, did not permit the willing Jews to integrate, and now Poles rationalize by "inventing lies" about the "alleged" Jewish unwilingness to integrate. Dismiss the evidence as "Dmowski-type" as much as you want (even if this includes Isaac Singer's quotes - another "endek"?), but perhaps you would be willing to address the quotes from strictly JEWISH sources that testify to the culturally-mandated hostility of Jews toward the idea of assimilation?
polishforums.com/history-poland-34/have-polish-christians-been-making- up-lies-polish-jews-56115/2/ post #54.
Indeed, and I think it's why most people who are totally unattached to Poland steer clear of discussing Polish issues on a serious academic level.
This subject is "radioactive". The Davies' Stanford tenure case illustrates what may happen to non-conforming people. You may also want to google Lynne Olson, Standley Cloud and John Whiteclay Chambers II - I would normally provide a link, but I am not logged in and PF does not permit. Or, let me try without htt...
If you scroll down, you will find a rebuttal by yet another "anti-semite" - Władysław Bartoszewski...
In short, Olson and Cloud were chastised by prof. Chambers for not devoting a "proper attention" to the issue of Polish anti-semitism in their book concerned with the WWII history of the Polish Air Force. Want more? Google Saul Rubinek. This came up completely accidentally a few weeks ago - I am a big fan of Warehouse 13 and of Rubinek's. His parents were saved by Polish farmers, and he dared to make a movie about it, without sufficiently underscoring the "Polish complicity in the Holocaust". The descendants of the people who spent the war safely in Brooklyn were lecturing a descendant of actual Holocaust survivors about what is the "correct" history he should
have presented - see the irony? The pressure to peddle the virulently anti-Polish myth is so strong that professional historians are afraid to touch the subject, because this would endanger either their professional integrity, or their careers.
Now, is it still worth challenging? I argue that it is, because these hateful myths create the self-amplifying mechanism of Polish-Jewish resentments.