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Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

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  ♂   Mar 21, 2010, 12:33pm  #

'And I suffer premonitions, confirm suspicions, of the holocaust to come' (Two Suns in the Sunset, The Final Cut).

Hitler had more than premonitions.

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  ♂  :-( Mar 21, 2010, 04:31pm  #

Wroclaw Boy:
Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

becuase he was bored and decided to make poland more clean and pretty

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  ♂   Edited by: SzwedwPolsce  Mar 21, 2010, 04:34pm  #

SeanBM:
There were so many Jews killed here in Poland because there were so many Jews here.

Yes. And the location of Poland was strategically important for Germany. Between Soviet and Germany.

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  ♂   Edited by: joepilsudski  Mar 21, 2010, 07:05pm  #

Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

As a diversion...Hitler was part Jewish himself, but he hated Jews because he felt they prevented him from getting a scholarship to the arts academy in Vienna...So, when he had the power, he had it done in Poland because there were a lot of Jews there, and he felt the blood wouldn't be on his hands so obviously this way...He especially disliked Jews from 'the East'.

But, there were many Jews he liked...Eva Braun, certainly.

Also, the numbers are exaggerated.

ah

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  ♂  :-( Edited by: Moderator  Mar 21, 2010, 08:15pm  #

joepilsudski:
But, there were many Jews he liked...Eva Braun, certainly

since when eva braun was a dirty jew ?

so hitler was black and gay too?

eva braun came from respectable Bavarian Catholic family and she was a nice puzzy cat.

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  ♀   Mar 22, 2010, 12:03am  #

1jola:
Hitler wanted to get rid Europe of Jews,

Really??????

I would have never thought of that had you not come to the rescue to tell us
this well thought out sentence.

quote=1jola]Why? Well, he said they were taking over the culture, economic life, education, etc. and thus destroying indiginous culture[/quote]


basically the same thing I wrote above ( he was trained to think this way)
as he wasnt born hating them.

I do realize Im no expert, never claim to be, but I highly doubt you are one..
so whether my post was misunderstood or not. I cant help that you cant put
the two together and figure out it was basically same thing.

k98_man     Mar 22, 2010, 12:42am  #

The question is too great to answer and there is no certain answer.

Nonetheless, I recommend some off-topic reading ABOUT extermination in Europe. "Ordinary Men: Reserve Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland". Fantastic book.

Anti-semitism was nothing new to Poland, though. Roman Dmowski was quite an anti-semite and even organized an economic boycott of Jews before the first world war. In fact a good amount of his political doctrine (not all) was based on this.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 12:37pm  #

You're all talking about why Hitler wanted to kill the jews. There are all kinds of nutjobs who think that killing the Jews will save the world. You can find them in the gutters of any city and even on this forum. The real question is how this maniac got the cultured German nation to carry it out. And how did the Germans get the Balts, Ukrainians and French (and others) to help them murder. So why ask about Hitler? Ask why Europe wanted to kill the Jews.

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  ♂   Edited by: Sokrates  Mar 22, 2010, 12:50pm  #

yehudi:
The real question is how this maniac got the cultured German nation to carry it out.

I tackled it before, German nation was highly dysfunctional in how militaristic it was, such a nation is good when it wins wars but when it loses social order and values collapse entire.

Most Germans were perfectly happy to let Jews murder Poles, Russians, Gypsies, Jews etc as long they got their pride back, basically it was a quiet "do what you want as long as you win wars for us mein Fuhrer".
yehudi:
And how did the Germans get the Balts, Ukrainians and French (and others) to help them murder

And here we have a typical child of Jewish indoctrination "the world murdered Jewzz!!!!11"

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 01:34pm  #

People with knowledge of this subject find they have to ********* around.

Hitler fought alongside Jews in WW1 - he had no particular problem with them. In 1918/19 he was confronted with the Bolshevik attempt to take power by revolutionary violence in Germany. The Spartakists, led by 2 Jewish Bolsheviks. The moneyed Jews were against the Bolsheviks, because they were class enemies - but these intricacies were lost on the common populace: you know how these things play out even nowadays.

Then he will have looked into it a bit more, aided by anti-Semitic reactionary extremist propaganda. In the mid-19th century the cloth factories in the Russian Empire overwhelmingly employed poor Jews - who then formed a huge trade union, which was active in labour relations and the Jewish Emancipation movement. This trade union much later merged with what became the Communist Party. Think about it: the CP had about 30,000 members the trade union about 300,000. Guess what? The Russian Communist Party was overwhelmed by Jewish socialists, and in the normal way of things they self-perpetuated by promoting people they knew and trusted. In fact, as things stood in 1919-21 - the key years in Hitler's political 'coming of age' it would have been perverse for the over-generalising people of the time to view the Bolshevik coup d'etat as anything but a takeover of Russia by Jews and mixed-Jews. The overwhelming majority of leading Communists were Jews and mixed-Jews - this did not change in any real sense until Stalin's purges, when the Jewish element was much diminished.

Add this to the many high-profile socialists with Jewish origins (esp. Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht) and BANG! you get full-blown Nazism devoted ostensibly to nationalist flavour socialism (i.e. strongly German and anti-toff). Of course, they sold out to big business because they needed all the help they could get, e.g. Krupp arms manufacturers.

Much else could be added, but they would be details. Hitler's anti-Semitism is perfectly understandable when viewed in the perspective of the time. Still vile, mind.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 01:35pm  #

Germany wanted a man who could avenge the travesty of justice that was the League of Nations and the Treaty of Versailles (in their eyes anyway). In the eyes of Germans, Jewry = Communists. They didn't want that.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 01:52pm  #

Seanus:
Germany wanted a man who could avenge the travesty of justice

I'm lost Sean, Germany was punished for the suffering and losses it incurred upon Europe during WW2, Poland won back its territories while France one of the main victims of WW1 got to occupy the Saar region, how is this travesty of justice?

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 01:59pm  #

Hence the words 'in their eyes', Sok. I didn't say it was my personal opinion, I merely stated that Hitler fomented that and played on their sentiments. Many Germans were livid after WWI.

BB is the man that you want to debate with as he believes that Silesia should have remained German.

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  ♂   Edited by: joepilsudski  Mar 22, 2010, 03:20pm  #

espana:
since when eva braun was a dirty jew ?

Eva Braun was not dirty...But she was part Jewish, as were many of the 'Nazis' and their associates...Do you get your info from WikiPedia?...I suggest you read Hennecke Kardel's book on Hitler.

You, and many, try to obscure truth by putting words into other people's mouth..."Dirty Jew!'...Those are your words.

BTW, Hitler himself never killed a 'Jew', so the topic itself is skewed, although I get the poster's meaning.

Also, are you familiar with Abe Foxman of the ADL of B'nai Brith in the USA?...The 'anti-semite' police?...Well, Foxman was baptized a Roman Catholic in Poland...There was and is much mixing of ethnic groups in Europe...And this is neither good nor bad, simply part of the puzzle.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 03:28pm  #

Sokrates mixes up WW1 and 2.

Anyway, Versailles was v. punitive due to the losses suffered thanks to German aggression. But it made no sense in the long term because it crippled Germany and caused the very instability that led to WW2. Someone at the time called it a 20-year truce."

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 03:42pm  #

Sokrates:
And here we have a typical child of Jewish indoctrination "the world murdered Jewzz!!!!11"

Are you saying that the French police did not round up the Jews of Paris and that Lithuanians and Latvians didn't help murder their Jews and that the Croatians didn't participate? These are facts. You can explain the reasons all you want, but you can't deny that it happened. It wasn't one man and it wasn't one nation that did this.

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  ♀   Mar 22, 2010, 03:48pm  #

yehudi:
The real question is how this maniac got the cultured German nation to carry it out. And how did the Germans get the Balts, Ukrainians and French (and others) to help them murder. So why ask about Hitler? Ask why Europe wanted to kill the Jews.

good question indeed. I have no answers.

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  ♂  :-( Mar 22, 2010, 03:57pm  #

joepilsudski:
Do you get your info from WikiPedia?...

Google is Jewish pretending to be not.

joepilsudski:
Hennecke Kardel's

MANIPULATION from a Dirty NaziJew, Hennecke Kardel is Jewish pretending to be not

he must love germany, In 1979 he was sued by the German state which also confiscated all his possessions.

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  ♂   Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Mar 22, 2010, 03:59pm  #

aphrodisiac:
good question indeed. I have no answers.

The first one is easy!
"cultured" Himmler couldn't stomach the barbaric way as the victims were to be shot over pits. He got sick of it. He also had the poor soldiers in mind who had to suffer such barbaric work day in day out.
So he thought up the fabriks, much more efficient, victims wouldn't know what hit them, no more german soldiers stressed then necessary...it was the "cultured" thing to do.

The rest of Europe were just free-riders...

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  ♀   Mar 22, 2010, 04:00pm  #

Bratwurst Boy:
So he though up the fabrics...it was the "cultured" thing to do.

what fabrics?

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 04:02pm  #

aphrodisiac:
what fabrics?

Heh:)

German "Fabrik"...I mean plants

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  ♀   Edited by: aphrodisiac  Mar 22, 2010, 04:06pm  #

Bratwurst Boy:
German "Fabrik"...I mean plants

:)

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  ♂   Edited by: Sokrates  Mar 22, 2010, 05:07pm  #

yehudi:
Are you saying that the French police did not round up the Jews of Paris

I'm saying you're manipulating the facts to feed your eternal martyrdom hobby, in many cases police officers who'd refuse to round up Jews got sent to the holiday camps along with their entire family, also you present it as though everyone merrily helped kill Jews.

Write "the question is why some of non-German people helped Germans" and it'll be correct but you deliberately phrase it to create an impression that it was an european enterprise or something.
yehudi:
It wasn't one man and it wasn't one nation that did this.

Ah so now the Jew is pointing a finger, next comes demand for money exactly like your fellow Jews in US did ah? They demand money from Poland for God knows what and their f*cked up "logic" is exactly the same as yours, i'm opposed to Jews deliberately lying about the scope of what happened to them.

Its a franchise and you and Jewish people like you use it cynically to get money and political concessions, you built your country on this and even in this discussion you cant escape it which frankly pisses me off.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 08:22pm  #

espana:
MANIPULATION from a Dirty NaziJew, Hennecke Kardel is Jewish pretending to be not

he must love germany, In 1979 he was sued by the German state which also confiscated all his possessions.


This makes his book more fascinating, if what you say is true...Please elaborate or email me...If true, then, perhaps 'It takes one to know one'...I find the book raises as many questions as it answers...But, Hitler and many of the 'top nazis' certainly had mysterious backgrounds, and this has been a question for many writers AND Germans, including Douglas Reed and Otto Strasser.

Also, apparently, the Rothschild mansion in Vienna, supposedly 'captured without resistance' by 'nazis' was used by Heydrich as a base of operation...The Austrian Lord Rothschild was nowhere to be found, of course.

k98_man     Mar 22, 2010, 08:34pm  #

And here we have a typical child of Jewish indoctrination "the world murdered Jewzz!!!!11"

It's no conspiracy...Europeans (Americans and perhaps other nationalities) disliked / hated Jews. Humans are humans and Germans are no more or less evil than anyone else. Occupied nations had the gate opened to act on their anti-semitic beliefs and they did just that....in droves.

America didn't have the opportunity to assist in the extermination, however America nonetheless rejected Jewish refugees before their quota was fulfilled.

And you spelled "Jews" wrong. :)

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 09:35pm  #

Although I don't buy into the conspiracy theories/research of David Irving, I believe that numbers were exagerrated and blown out of all proportion. Also, the inculcating of the anti-Semitic label has really worked a treat for Jews.

Hitler disliked the immense potential of the Jewish people. Any dissenters could come from within their ranks and he was determined to eliminate that possibility.

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  ♂   Edited by: joepilsudski  Mar 22, 2010, 11:04pm  #

I would suggest the plan devised by the top Zionists and the Rothschilds was to terrorise and transport as many Eastern European Jews to Palestine as possible, because how can you have an Israel without Jews?...Remember, it was the poorest Jews, or ones with no connections who were left behind...The ones with money got into the UK and USA or South America...Or went to Israel...The 'extermination' stories are mostly propaganda to gain funds and sympathy for Israel...This is not to say that Germans didn't put Jews in camps and use them for forced labor, or that great numbers didn't die or suffer other horrific ordeals, which is satanic in itself...But Germany was also a pawn.

The other part of this bold plan was the expansion of the Soviet Union into the very center of Europe...The two parts of the master plan included the triumph of Communism in Europe, through the subjugation of both Russia and Germany (not to mention the end of the British Empire, replaced by Washington DC & NYC), and the establishment of the Zionist state in Palestine, which sits astride the main transport routes of three continents, and is also close to enormous oil reserves...All of this was accomplished by the end of WWII...Was this a coincidence?...Does history move inexorably of it's own accord, or do men help shape it?

And who did the fighting?

'Onward Christian soldiers,
Marching as to war..'


A summary of WWII, Europe.

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  ♂   Edited by: SeanBM  Mar 22, 2010, 11:17pm  #

joepilsudski:
I would suggest the plan devised by the top Zionists and the Rothschilds was to terrorise and transport as many Eastern European Jews to Palestine as possible

SO your 'theory' is that the Jews got Hitler to kill millions of Jews to force the surviving Jews to create the state of Israel?
joepilsudski, you are one crazy son of a gun.

joepilsudski:
The other part of this bold plan

'Bold', is not the word I would use 'lunatic conspiracy with an anti-semitic spear head on it', would be what I would call it.


joepilsudski, you are a man on a mission to prove that the Jews are to blame for every disaster in history, why is that? where does your personal obsession with Jews come from? Do you think Hitler shared your obsession?

joepilsudski:
A summary of WWII, Europe.

I think I can speak for many people when I say I am glad you are not a teacher.

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  ♂   Mar 22, 2010, 11:58pm  #

Seanny has a point, joe. Many Jews were turned back into the line of fire, they were not saved. Those boats destined for Israeli shores often reversed course. Joe is right, however, to point out the complexities and apparent lunacy. Prescott Bush, supported by Zionists, pumped money into Hitler's coffers. This is documented fact! There is a growing schism between Judaist Rabbis and Zionists. I could post many links but you can take my word for it.

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  ♂   Mar 23, 2010, 12:03am  #

SeanBM:
joepilsudski, you are a man on a mission to prove that the Jews are to blame for every disaster in history, why is that?

It's a hell of a lot easier than accepting that the world is a complicated place shaped by the motives of individual people.



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