porzeczka: Up to 1971 many of the sculptures were destroyed; the cemetery of Lviv Eaglets was completely destroyed and turned into a truck depot. There were attempts to crush the triumphal arch with tanks, and in the 1970s, bulldozers razed most of the tombs.[2] You know who uses tanks on live people and dead people on cemetaries: Hungary 1956, Czech republic 1968, Lithuania 1990. Here is what I found:
After the collapse of the Soviet Union and the formation of an independent Ukraine, work began on the restoration of the "Eaglets' Cemetery," although slowed by opposition of local nationalists. Following Polish support for Ukraine's Orange Revolution (2004), the opposition declined and the Cemetery was officially reopened in a Polish-Ukrainian ceremony on June 24, 2005. The last surviving Lwow Eaglet, Major Aleksander Sałacki (born 12 May 1904), died in Tychy, on April 5, 2008. Good example how Polish-Ukrainian cooperation brings more than hatred instigated by outside forces.
porzeczka: I'm for Polish-Ukrainian reconciliation and mutual understanding That's all that really matters.
porzeczka: Keep this party going :) You are not leaving, are you? There are so many gentlemen sipping on wine and eating delicious cheese cake with raisins and no ladies, except you. So please, be kind to keep us some company and I assure you the evening will make you more than happy and cheerful. And for all of us, men, it would be even greater pleasure to revolve around a little sun than to wander like crazy planets around in a dissarray with some black hole on the horizon :)Sasha: it's about a level of an ordinary Russian jingo. He is a prime minister now, isn't he?Sasha: There was no need to... they contrived doing that themselves. Oh come on, Sasha, who you would be lying to here? There people both in Ukraine and Russia that still build Stalin monuments even though there are tons of information in libraries, internet, TV, freedom of speech (which starts to be pressed on) about 41,000 personal signatures by Stalin to kill from a regular man to his close comrades. This doesn't include Polish soldiers in Katyn or Soviet higher military command in 1938. If this sytem managed to brainwash people to the level of outrageous stupidity that even 20 years cannot erase, then how much more hatred, unbased and often invented, be more hardly planted into inter-national relations.
Bratwurst Boy: Oh yes, the Sovietunion Empire was all about "internationalism" as long as the central was in Moscow and nobody else had something to say...agressively anti-nationalist actually.
Sasha: Their plan was absolutely clear and firm: erase Russians, Poles and Jews by all means, either way. Somehow, we didn't organize Holodomor against Russians, starving around 10 million people in 2 year, one in 1932-33, the othe in 1947, not mentioning 1921. We didn't built Gulags in Siberia, where Poles, Germans, Jews and Ukrainians died in millions after forced deportation, exhaustive labor. We didn't make "Three wheat stalks law" in 1932 where starving people in Ukraine who were caught with more than a handful of wheat picked up in the fields already cleaned by Soviets were punished as anti-state thieves who steal from the state property.
Some sources claim there were several legislative acts adopted in order to force starvation in the Ukrainian SSR. On August 7, 1932, the Soviet government passed a law, "On the Safekeeping of Socialist Property", [12] that imposed penalties starting at a ten year prison sentence and up to the death penalty for any theft of socialist property. [13] [14] [15] Stalin personally appended the stipulation: "People who encroach on socialist property should be considered enemies of the people."[citation needed] Within the first five months of passage of the law, 54,645 individuals had been imprisoned under it, and 2,110 sentenced to death. The initial wording of the decree, "On fought with speculation”, adopted August 22, 1932, lead to common situations where minor acts such as bartering tobacco for bread were documented as punished by 5 years imprisonment. After 1934, by NKVD demand, the penalty for minor offenses was limited to a fine of 500 rubles or three months of correctional labor. [16] Somehow you came not to your homes, but ours. And for you OUN-B are dimwitted, why? because you are so smart? Somehow Jews were fighting within UPA with honorary distinguishment. A few years of craziness that occurred in Ukrainian-Polish relations was the only thing that kept us apart for so long. And yes, Soviet Union worked on destroying trust and insert hatred into neighbors. Now it is continued by Russia (please, don't sigh here). I posted some info on Kyrgyztan and policies within SU as well as BB in posts above said about what you know more than very well. Face it, the system is still alive and since technological progress and some interesting discoveries in medicine or other sciences is not of particular interest of unsatiable land-grabbers sitting on the 1/9th of the world and still dreaming of more, we will have more conflicts to come.
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