Can anyone from Poland tell me about Auschwitz and The Ghetto?

sjam: That is probably an acceptable position for you to adopt, but not for a moral person!

You have to remember that to Jola 'they are only Jews': they aren't proper humans, just untermenschen.

From first page of this debate:

Criminals who runed this camps are in Israel.

Tell me more about Post WWII camps and give me commanders names :) Tell me why they live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish.

sjam:
1jola: So? Without smuggling the people would have starved.

This totally moronic statement says a lot about you as a person.

... Sell me your gold watch for a slice of bread or I'll watch you starve to death....

... I'll sell you my rope to help save you from drowning!

That is probably an acceptable position for you to adopt, but not for a moral person!

I am immoral and you are not familiar with this subject either. My grandfather gave his wedding band for a few plums during the evacuation of Warsaw. You can't eat gold, brainiac.

You have seen my reference, which is a book on the subject

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1jola: You have seen my reference, which is a book on the subject

You just copied and pasted a reference you found to a book; not the page itself from the book which shows Franks order document. If anyone has this, which I don't, scan page 83 and post it please.

Harry/Sjam claims it was a bad thing to smuggle a scarce resource

Debating these two is like beating up a cripple.

Immoral, even. Debating these two is like beating up a cripple.

I actually enjoy Harry's arguments.

You seem to want to say something, but just don't know how to do it.

1jola:
sjam:
1jola: So? Without smuggling the people would have starved.

This totally moronic statement says a lot about you as a person.

... Sell me your gold watch for a slice of bread or I'll watch you starve to death....

... I'll sell you my rope to help save you from drowning!

That is probably an acceptable position for you to adopt, but not for a moral person!

I am immoral and you are not familiar with this subject either. My grandfather gave his wedding band for a few plums during the evacuation of Warsaw. You can't eat gold, brainiac.

Harry/Sjam claims it was a bad thing to smuggle a scarce resource that could not be simply donated since there wasnt enough around even for Poles.

like beating up a cripple.

You like Concentration Camp Harry's arguments? Weird.

Always following the letter of the law but not the spirit of the law.

He is predictable from a mile away.

You mean I do things like back my statements with facts?

She was a simple Polish Christian, with a gracious soul.

What is his agenda? I should actually ask Harry.

Don't hold your breath waiting.

Don't hold your breath waiting.

don't mix religion with it. She was a good person because she was a good person, not because she was a Christian.

Kossak-Szczucka saw this largely as an issue of religious ethics. "Our feelings toward Jews have not changed," she wrote. "We do not stop thinking of them as political, economic and ideological enemies of Poland." But, she wrote, this does not relieve Polish Catholics of their duty to oppose the crimes being committed in their country.

"We are required by God to protest," she wrote. "God who forbids us to kill. We are required by our Christian consciousness. Every human being has the right to be loved by his fellow men. The blood of the defenceless cries to heaven for revange. Those who oppose our protest, are not Catholics."

I wonder how much gold Irena Sendlerowa demanded to help the hundereds of Polish Jews she saved.... none!

Nice to see that you still have nothing to contribute to the actually debate and still insist on only making personal comments.

... nor was it for payment in gold either!

The Jewish Gestapo agents were turning in Jews and Poles who were helping Jews. This no one wants to talk about.

Polish concentration camps

The topic which nobody wants to talk about is Prince's anti-semitic lie that the commanders of the post-WWII Polish concentration camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish". What do you think? Is Prince right? If so, please post the names he will not post and explain how two of the three camp commanders we have named lived and died in Poland.

Kossak-Szczucka saw this largely as an issue of religious ethics. "Our feelings toward Jews have not changed," she wrote. "We do not stop thinking of them as political, economic and ideological enemies of Poland." But, she wrote, this does not relieve Polish Catholics of their duty to oppose the crimes being committed in their country.

"We are required by God to protest," she wrote. "God who forbids us to kill. We are required by our Christian consciousness. Every human being has the right to be loved by his fellow men. The blood of the defenceless cries to heaven for revange. Those who oppose our protest, are not Catholics."

So miranda it seems Christian religion and values did play a part in these women's actions after all...

Every Pole is anti-semitic by birth, no?

We have already established that in the UK school children learn about the Jewish ghetto police and the Jewish Gestapo

"For reasons such as these, a secret Jewish court in the Warsaw ghetto
executed fifty-nine Zagiew collaborators. The Polish underground killed the
collaborators as well. So did the Gestapo - because the collaborators "knew
too much" and because rival Gestapo groups often killed the agents of their
competitors. In time, their numbers dwindled, and the remainder, together
with the decreasing numer of members of the Society of Free Jews, were
incorporated into the Jewish Gestapo brigades, formed in 1941 by Hauptsturmfuehrer Alfred Spilker.
Spilker was appointed by Hans Frank to head up the special Sonderkommando
AS, which, in conjunction with the Abwehr, attempted to counter the efforts
of the Polish underground. Sonderkommando AS consisted of groups of renegades
from various nationalities. Among them were 820 Jews, who formed the Jewish brigades.
During the Warsaw uprising, "Spilker's boys" were assigned the task of "cleansing" the areas captured by the Germans..."(Tadeusz Piotrowski, "Poland's Holocaust", McFarland & Co.: Jefferson, NC, 1998.)

Harry: The topic which nobody wants to talk about is Prince's anti-semitic lie that the commanders of the post-WWII Polish concentration camps "live in Israel and claim to be Israelis not Polish". What do you think? Is Prince right? If so, please post the names he will not post and explain how two of the three camp commanders we have named lived and died in Poland.

No. That is all you want to talk about on every thread. If you don't have anything to say about Auschwitz or the Ghetto, beat it.