Bad luck of Poland or something else? - constant occupatiuon by different vermin

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CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Aug 9, 11, 16:48 #1
How is this possible that Poland live in state of constant occupation. How did Poles deserves this situation? Just when Poles escaped from Soviet Union, EU and NATO emerged. Not to mention all sh** that happened to Poles earlier Its shocking. Shocking

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 9, 11, 17:46 #2
You dislike the Slavic former Soviets, Crow? ;)

joepilsudskiThreads: 44 Posts: 2,529 Joined: Apr 27, 07 ♂	Aug 12, 11, 22:05 #3
Its shocking. Shocking Not so shocking...Just look at the map...Right between Germany and Russia, and other elements right in there, agitating all the while. However, times are different now, and there is more breathing room...The danger is now more subtle.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Aug 13, 11, 13:32 #4
Crow, you need to separate a huge entity into factions. The EU has helped Poland in many ways. I know which part you are talking about but remember to separate geopolitics from operations on the ground.

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Aug 25, 11, 20:51 #5

Maybe a lot of poor decision-making on the part of the Polish leadership.
For example, prior to WWII, Hitler made countless offers of peace and alliance to the Poles.
He went so far as to offer a military alliance with the Poles against the Soviet Union.
However, Jozef Beck (Minister of Foreign Affairs) as well as the other Polish leaders fell for the empty promises of Halifax from Britain, who, unbeknownst to the Poles, had a specific agenda against Germany.
Emboldened by these promises, Polish leaders took a hard-line approach to relations with Germany, even going so far as to mobilize a part of their military in March 1939, in anticipation of conflict.
The rest as we know, is history.

TheManThreads: - Posts: 84 Joined: Jun 14, 11 ♂	Aug 25, 11, 21:02 #6
I don't think it would have ended much better if they had taken hitler up on his offer....

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Aug 26, 11, 12:24 #7
even going so far as to mobilize a part of their military in March 1939 Dont you mean "re mobilize"? Had it been stood down after invading Czechoslovakia alongside the nazis a few months earlier?

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Aug 26, 11, 13:57 #8

Dont you mean "re mobilize"? Had it been stood down after invading Czechoslovakia alongside the nazis a few months earlier?

The Poles never actually invaded at that time.
On Sept. 27, 1938 the Polish government issued an ultimatum to the Czech's demanding they cede control of Teschen District.
The Czech military was anticipating the Nazi invasion and were preparing for it but were taken by surprise by the Polish demands and had no choice but to give in to them.

gumishuThreads: 17 Posts: 3,943 Joined: Apr 6, 09 ♂	Aug 26, 11, 14:05 #9
Dont you mean "re mobilize"? Had it been stood down after invading Czechoslovakia alongside the nazis a few months earlier? do you read history or just create images in your head that suit you?? as far as I know Poland never mobilized in 1938 - if you have some seriuos sources that contradict it just post it

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Edited by: isthatu2 Aug 26, 11, 16:04 #10

if you have some seriuos sources that contradict it just post it

Oh, I dont know,how about official Polish photographs of the invasion of Zaolzie,would they do?
Or is it the case ,still,that germans invading a part of czechoslovakia with a large "german population" is bad, but the Polish invading a part of Czechoslovakia with a "Polish population" is good? Do I wiff double standards at play?

On 1 October 1938 the area was annexed by Poland following the Munich Conference. The Polish Army, commanded by General Władysław Bortnowski, annexed an area of 801.5 km² with a population of 227,399 people. Within the region originally demanded by Nazi Germany was the important railway junction city of Bohumín. The Poles regarded the city as of crucial importance to the area. Polish leader, Colonel Józef Beck believed that he must act rapidly to forestall the German occupation of the city. At noon on 30 September, Poland gave an ultimatum to the Czech government. It demanded the immediate evacuation of Czech troops and police and gave Prague time until noon the following day. At 11:45 a.m. on 1 October the Czech foreign ministry called the Polish ambassador in Prague and told him that Poland could have what it wanted. The Germans were delighted with this outcome. They were happy to give up a provincial rail centre to Poland; it was a small sacrifice indeed. It spread the blame and confused the issue. Poland was accused of being an accomplice of Germany – a charge that Warsaw was hard put to deny.

The Polish side argued that Poles in Zaolzie deserved the same rights as Germans in the Munich Agreement. The vast majority of the local Polish population enthusiastically welcomed the change, seeing it as a liberation and a form of historical justice. But they quickly changed their mood. The new Polish authorities appointed people from Poland to various key positions from which Czechs were fired. The Polish language became the official language. Using Czech (or German) by Czechs (or Germans) in public was prohibited and Czechs and Germans were being forced to leave the annexed area. Rapid Polonization followed. Czech organizations were dismantled and their activity was prohibited. Czech education ceased to exist. About 35,000 Czechs emigrated to Czechoslovakia by choice or forcibly. The behaviour of the new Polish authorities was different but similar in nature to that of the Czech ones before 1938. Two political factions appeared: socialists (the opposition) and rightists (loyal to the new authorities). Leftist politicians and sympathizers were discriminated against and often fired from work. The Polish political system was artificially implemented in Zaolzie. Local Polish people continued to feel like second-class citizens and a majority of them were dissatisfied with the situation after October 1938. Zaolzie remained a part of Poland for only 11 months.

Goose stepping invaders

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Edited by: MyMom Aug 26, 11, 17:04 #11

ishatu2: what kind of a marron are you to sneak a reference to Zaolzie conflict into a thread about EU and NATO?
BTW your beloved Czechs some time earlier closed their borders during Polish-Soviet war so that the Soviets could finish Poles off (which luckily did not happen). That was followed with them violating earlier agreement and invading the Zaolzie land, where a plebiscite was scheduled to take place.
As to 1938 - good move by Poles, the Czechs didn't deserve anything better (although Polish takeover of Zaolzie was the consequence of the decisions which have already been made by Brits and French). Even with the threat of Hitler, they never even did anything to reconcile with Poland.

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