So called "inconvenient parts" of Polish history - what do you think?

Polish SS. Poles who took an active part in the holocaust. Polish concentration camps. Post-war treatment of Germans. Interbellum treatment of all ethnic minorities. State-sponsored anti-semitism. The genesis of the Final Solution. Shall I go on?

Polish SS. Poles who took an active part in the holocaust. Polish concentration camps. Post-war treatment of Germans. Interbellum treatment of all ethnic minorities. State-sponsored anti-semitism. The genesis of the Final Solution. Shall I go on?

I know nothing about Poles in SS

You mean you want another hundreds of pages of antipolish BS

No nation of people has done so much good & so little bad as Poles.

But, Compare what Poles have done to Western Nations in Colonialization?

Poland is in a league of it's own with Nations like Scotland & Greece

& did little bad things.

Why is polskimoc still living in NYC then? surely such a perfect place as Poland would be the choice for an inteligent get up and go kinda fella like him?

Iron, I think you are way too sensitive.

There are traitors in every nation. Same with szabrownicy.

No nation of people has done so much good & so little bad as Poles.

Sensitive not really, I'm a bit tied of the repetitive Harry's stuff, let get to the bottom of that.

But, Compare what Poles have done to Western Nations in Colonialization?

yeah mate,its a bit hard to be a colonial power when you are the b!tch of prussia,russia and the Austro Hungarian Empire.......

With the down sides of much higher divorce, crime, lack of culture, extreme materialistic culture.

You could tell me this bs if I wouldn't live in Poland long enough to know the difference.
Divorce rate - who cares. Crime rate - not in the country (my windows are always open, even when I go shopping).
Lack of culture - hm, different culture is just that, different. Maybe it's just your environment that makes you feel that way.
Extreme materialistic culture - when have you visited Poland last time? When I was there 2003-2007 I had a feeling like there's almost no difference when it comes to materialistic thinking.

Some people on PF and in real life keep insisting that Poland and Poles did not deal with so called inconvenient parts of Polish history.
I wonder what they have in mind.

a thousand Kaczyński brothers

Jeezus. Have some consideration, man! Some of us will take that image to our graves!!!

Will they keep coming out in droves muttering 'spieprzaj dziadu'?

Porton Down knows a lot more about this than they're letting on.

Heck, even Serbs and Croats are dreadful for this. Maybe it's just a Slavic thing?

The Polish trait of denying everything, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, has a lot to answer for.

Same reason the Russians get roundly mocked by those in the West - same absolute inability to accept responsibility.

Heck, even Serbs and Croats are dreadful for this. Maybe it's just a Slavic thing?

I haven't read what is written here, but when I consider what I read on PForums I have just one picture in my mind. The Polish fault, Polish guilt, Polish crime. Always, on every subject people are proving that Poland was the greatest wrongdoer through out ages. It doesn't matter who, where, why, what - always those Polish bastards. It is us who have to apology, who have to admit everything.
Every thread ends the same - at first we have somebody who try to talk about some Polish victory, then somebody bless us with his knowledge that in fact the main responsible of it were Eskimos and good position of Mars. Then we have other one who remember us about pogroms and that we let communist into our country and that every political agreement is not what it is.

The funny part of the story is that after lecture of PF I really radicalised myself. Now I just want that everybody out of this country to **** of to stay away of this land. Before I entered PF I haven't know that I live among such misinformed, mendacious, uneducated fools in the land of constant malfunction. Damn, I was so happy fool than - now I should feel so guilty that maybe I should commit suicide?

The Polish trait of denying everything, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, has a lot to answer for.

I know nothing about Poles in SS.

Given example of an individual recognized by the Interned sources (both German and Polish)as an Belorussian.

Attempt to recruit from Highlanders drew few volunteers but came to nothing.

Poland only political prison could be hardly called concentration camp

its existence is no secrets to any-one, Poles are learning about it in school.

many Germans fled in panic as RED ARMY entered German territory

Treatment of minorities in Poland before WWII wasn't that bad,

As for construct State-sponsored anti-semitism don't know what author had in mind, but if my guess is correct I should point out that USA had the same laws for much longer than Poland.

Shall I go on?[

And many stayed, some of whom were then put into Polish concentration camps but of course that is just another inconvenient part of Polish history, let's deny it.

there were indeed Poles in the SS, thousands of them (if we make the assumption that one in fifty of the Poles who were captured by the Western allies while fighting for Germany were SS (very much an under-estimation of the percentage of German forces which were SS in 1944/5), there must have been at least two thousand)

I also recommend reading Israeli reply to Polish request to extradite that scum Morel.

You can assume all you want but without solid evidence, that is just spreading hateful antipolish libel.

And there we have a perfect example of an inconvenient part of Polish history: there were indeed Poles in the SS, thousands of them (if we make the assumption that one in fifty of the Poles who were captured by the Western allies while fighting for Germany were SS (very much an under-estimation of the percentage of German forces which were SS in 1944/5), there must have been at least two thousand). But instead of this history being examined, it is swept away and denied.

hateful antipolish libel.

Don't you find it interesting that Poland went after one camp commander so hard but allowed another camp commander to live out the rest of his life in peace? Czesław Gęborski was every bit as bad as Morel but Poland just let him go. I wonder why.

So your view is that none of the 100,000+ Poles who were captured by the western allies while fighting for Poland were SS? That's highly likely, isn't it?

Were there Polish SS? Not that I heard much of it, and even it there was, the number is really negligible. There are traitors in every nation

Poland only political prison could be hardly called concentration camp

The term "concentration camp" was used by contemporary media to describe the camps in question.

Czesław Gęborski was every bit as bad as Morel but Poland just let him go. I wonder why.

So your view is that none of the 100,000+ Poles who were captured by the western allies while fighting for Poland were SS? That's highly likely, isn't it?

Like I said, provide sources.

he spend 22 months in prison

was charged numerous times

his last trial was stopped by his death.

Where did you get that 100 000 number from?

While many Poles were forcibly conscripted into Wehrmacht

"The Random House Dictionary defines the term "concentration camp" as: "a guarded compound for the detention or imprisonment of aliens, members of ethnic minorities, political opponents, etc.""

The prisons were run for Polish by Polish, therefore they don't fall into the concentration camp category.

Gęborski was a Jew

I already have, repeatedly, in other threads. But it seems that nothing will move you from your position that no Pole ever did anything remotely unpleasant.

Interesting that you don't use his full name. Would that be because you also know that Czesław is not a Jewish name and don't want people to notice that? He was a Polish Catholic (see here for details).