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 Aug 25, 11, 01:12    #241
on that video, Tylko we Lwowie, what are those long sticks many are holding? Horse whips?

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 Aug 25, 11, 06:58    #242
Yes they were, relative to any other population whom they outnumbered 2:1 which combined with the fact that such demographics prevailed for the past 300 years made it a very polish land in every respect, historic, cultural and demographic.


No, it made it a multicultural land.


then after 400+ years the ukrainian minority decides that the land and all polish property on it should belong to them because their distant ancestors had a bunch of castles in the area almost half a millenium ago.


Poles did the same in their "recovered territories".
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 Aug 25, 11, 08:10    #243
on that video, Tylko we Lwowie, what are those long sticks many are holding? Horse whips?

yes, the guys with the horse whips where taxi drivers of the time
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 Aug 25, 11, 16:04    #244
No, it made it a multicultural land.

A multicultural land with polish majority, polish built cities, polish schools, polish univerisity, got any more fun ideas Palivec? Whats now western Ukraine wa until 1945 a polish land in every way imaginable.
Poles did the same in their "recovered territories".

No they did not, unlike neo-nazis like you who deny that western Ukraine was historically a polish land Poles never denied german heritage in Lower Silesia, Pomerania is iffy since it had quite often a polish majority.
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Edited by: Ironside  Aug 25, 11, 16:05    #245
Poland's King inherited land we are talking about (never called Ukraine) , builds roads, bridges, schools, universities, brings an army that stabilizes the region that was the European equivalent of the warring Africa, for 400+ years (from 1347 to 1794 - I think more than 400 years)Poles develop the region, everything thats built is built by Poles or commissioned by Poles, then after 400+ years the Ukrainian minority decides that the land and all polish property on it should belong to them because some Kievan dynasty (Rurik) had a bunch of castles in the area almost half a millennium ago. To make it funnier accusal progeny of that dynasty they claimed as they own were Polish as it gets: * Ostrogscy, wymarli w XVII w. - z nich Konstanty Ostrogski pierwszy hetman wielki litewski;
* Zasławscy, wymarli w XVIII w.;
* Nieświccy, od których pochodzą:
o Wiśniowieccy, wymarli w XVIII w. - z nich Michał Korybut Wiśniowiecki król Polski;
o Zbarascy, wymarli w XVII w.;
o Woronieccy, żyją;
o Poryccy, wymarli w XVII w.;
* Czetwertyńscy, żyją;
* Sokolscy, wymarli w XVII w.;
* Massalscy, żyją;
* Ogińscy, wymarli (?);
* Puzynowie, żyją;
* Sołomereccy, wymarli w XVII w.;
* Żyżemscy, żyją;
* Hołowczyńscy wymarli w XVII w.;
* Szujscy, żyją;

Poles did the same in their "recovered territories".

Did they ? when ?
bloody retard !
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 Aug 25, 11, 16:42    #246
No they did not, unlike neo-nazis like you who deny that western Ukraine was historically a polish land Poles never denied german heritage in Lower Silesia, Pomerania is iffy since it had quite often a polish majority.


A land with several large ethnic groups is multicultural. Neo-Nazis usually don't accept the concept of multiculturalism. Pomerania was German, what you mean is Pomeralia. And the "never denied German heritage" in Silesia comprises of expelled people and a deliberately destroyed culture till the 80's.


Did they ? when ?
bloody retard !


Want examples?


Oh btw., dear mod:
2. Posters should refrain from using abusive or derogatory language (unless it's necessary to explain the language's nuances). Posters who use abusive or derogatory language towards other users may be banned.

Bloody retard and Neo-Nazi?
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 Aug 25, 11, 16:55    #247

A land with several large ethnic groups is multicultural.

Nope its multi-ethnical, a land with several cultures is multicultural.
Want examples?

Yes i do but seeing that you're an anti-polish neo-nazi with a long history of lying and dodging the burden of proof i expect you to do the same now.
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Edited by: Ironside  Aug 25, 11, 17:39    #248
Oh btw., dear mod:
2. Posters should refrain from using abusive or derogatory language (unless it's necessary to explain the language's nuances). Posters who use abusive or derogatory language towards other users may be banned.

You notoriously are going off-topic in almost every thread. It could be considered flaming and stubborn trolling and should be baned for that.

Ah and my language is not abusive is merely statement of the fact.
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 Aug 25, 11, 19:12    #249
Chance of Lwów once again became coming part of Poland

This is no chance at present.
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 Aug 28, 11, 16:01    #250
=Sokrates]polish schools, polish univerisity,

Because Ukrainian schools, uiniversities and Orthodox churches were banned by Polish authotities before the war?
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 Aug 28, 11, 18:31    #251
Because Ukrainian schools, uiniversities and Orthodox churches were banned by Polish authotities before the war?

Where were ukrainian schools and universities for the past 500 years when they were NOT banned though? Of course Poland supressed Ukrainians during interbellum, their terrorist actions against polish people warranted such actions.

The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort and you can't blame that on the 19 years of supression when they did nothing for over 500 years.
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Edited by: pawian  Aug 28, 11, 19:54    #252
=Sokrates]The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort

Of course you are wrong. Did you ever hear about Ukrainian cooperatives, very successful enterprises?


The Ukrainian Cooperative Movement was a movement based primarily in Western Ukraine that addressed the economic plight of the western Ukrainian people through the creation of financial, agricultural and trade cooperatives that enabled western Ukrainians (primarily peasants) to pool their resources, to obtain less expensive loans and insurance, and to pay less for products such as farm equipment. The cooperatives played a major role in the social and economic mobilization of the western Ukrainian people, most of whom were peasants. First begun in 1883, by 1939 cooperatives had 700,000 members in western Ukraine, employing 15,000 Ukrainians. The cooperatives were shut down by the Soviet authorities when western Ukraine was annexed by the Soviet Union in 1939. However, they continue to exist and flourish among Ukrainian emigrants and their descendants in North and South America, Europe and Australia.


More:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_cooperative_movement

Sokrates, don`t you understand that Poles refuse to admit any Ukrainian development in the same way as Germans refuse to admit any civilisation created by Poles? Don`t be as silly as some silly Germans.


=Sokrates]The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort

Really? So how was it possible they rejected the Polish culture?
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 Aug 28, 11, 20:00    #253
Where were ukrainian schools and universities for the past 500 years when they were NOT banned though?

The point is Ukrainians never did develop a noteworthy culture of any sort and you can't blame that on the 19 years of supression when they did nothing for over 500 years.


Number of universities before 1772 (Polish particions):
France: 40
Italy: 32
Spain: 35
Germany: 34
Poland: 3

How many universities are needed to be a "noteworthy culture"?
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 Aug 28, 11, 20:38    #254
=Palivec]Number of universities before 1772 (Polish particions):
France: 40
Italy: 32
Spain: 35
Germany: 34
Poland: 3

Source, please!
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 Aug 28, 11, 20:44    #255
Source, please!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_early_modern_universities_in_Euro pe
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Edited by: pawian  Aug 28, 11, 20:59    #256
=Palivec]Source, please!

Thanks.

I have a problem though. Why does the 18 century list state that the Pau University in France was founded in 1722, while Pau`s Wiki entry states that its university was founded in 1972 ????

Your source:
1722[2] Pau France

Wiki entry:
The Université de Pau et des Pays de l'Adour, founded in 1972, means there is a high student population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pau,_Pyr%C3%A9n%C3%A9es-Atlantiques


Sorry, judging by this falsification, I don`t believe your source.


Well, another truthful source is pending, I suppose.

PS. Besides, read carefully from your source:
The list of early modern universities in Europe comprises all universities which existed in the early modern age (1501–1800) in Europe. It also includes short-lived foundations and educational institutions whose university status is a matter of debate.
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Edited by: Palivec  Aug 28, 11, 21:16    #257
PS. Besides, read carefully from your source:
The list of early modern universities in Europe comprises all universities which existed in the early modern age (1501–1800) in Europe. It also includes short-lived foundations and educational institutions whose university status is a matter of debate.

And? It wasn't my argument that the culture of a nation can be judged by the number of universities. And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland. In case France only had 15 continuously operating universities, the ratio would still be 5:1.
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 Aug 28, 11, 21:41    #258
while Pau`s Wiki entry states that its university was founded in 1972 ????


Wasn't there some sort of big change in the French university system after the events of 1968?

I don't remember the details at all, but I know the "Paris University" was broken up afterwards...
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Edited by: pawian  Aug 28, 11, 22:26    #259
=Palivec]And? It wasn't my argument that the culture of a nation can be judged by the number of universities. And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland. In case France only had 15 continuously operating universities, the ratio would still be 5:1.

Why are you lying about Polish historic universities?There were more than three as you claim:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia_Zamojska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lubra%C5%84ski_Academy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politechnika_Lwowska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_Hosianum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szko%C5%82a_Rycerska

=Palivec]And even without shortlived universities the number in Western countries is way higher than in Poland.

Check the population numbers, moron.
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 Aug 29, 11, 00:43    #260
Palivec lying again, what a suprise.
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Edited by: Palivec  Aug 29, 11, 07:59    #261
Why are you lying about Polish historic universities?There were more than three as you claim:

1. It's not my claim but the claim of Wikipedia.
2. Academies are no universities. Looks like stupidity rules in this forum.
3. the university of Warsaw was established after the Polish partitions.


Check the population numbers, moron.

Population around 1700:
Germany: 15 mio
France: 21 mio
Spain: 5 mio
Italy: ~13 mio
Poland: 8 mio

And?

Not the best source, but good luck finding a better one:
http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/index.html

Palivec lying again, what a suprise.

Never seen a university from the inside, eh?
So, what with your theory about judging "noteworthy cultures" by the number of universities now? Should Western Europeans consider Poland to be a noteworthy culture ot not? Maybe you simply shouldn't start with such stupid generalisations...
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Edited by: pawian  Aug 29, 11, 09:43    #262
=Palivec]1. It's not my claim but the claim of Wikipedia.

As a man of historic knowledge and education, you should know how to use Wikipedia wisely, instead of blindly copying and pasting information which is incomplete or simply false in case of Poland.

You wrote
=Palivec]Number of universities before 1772 (Polish particions):
France: 40
Italy: 32
Spain: 35
Germany: 34
Poland: 3

By those 3 Polish universities you probably meant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jagiellonian_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akademia_Zamojska

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collegium_Hosianum

You cleverly omitted the one in Breslau, which was founded in 1700s and is described by your Wiki source as located in Poland. However, you knew that it was founded by Germans so it is unjust to ascribe it to Poles.

However, if you were so clever with Breslau, why didn`t you count universities which were founded and run by Poles for centuries but according to your Wiki link, are located in different countries today, Lithuania and Ukraine?

I mean these
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lw%C3%B3w_University

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilno_University


Don`t you agree it makes 5 and not 3 as you said? I claim you provided false info that is why I called you a liar.

Well, yes, it is still a small number compared with Italy, France, Germany or Spain, but it is not so bad, after all.

=Palivec]2. Academies are no universities. Looks like stupidity rules in this forum.
3. the university of Warsaw was established after the Polish partitions.

OK, I am not going to defend these points. :):):)
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 Sep 6, 11, 13:56    #263
I still found it mesmerizing to see how Wikipedia has achieved such iconic status as being almost the only source used to substantiate statements on this forum. Ease of access and ubiquity (which Wiki has) does not guarantee reliability..
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I still found it mesmerizing to see how Wikipedia has achieved such iconic status as being almost the only source used to substantiate statements on this forum. Ease of access and ubiquity (which Wiki has) does not guarantee reliability..

People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Sep 6, 11, 14:25    #265
wiki is truly superb, but people are dumb about it like religion
http://www.myspace.com/4thtestament

'actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source' - probably true.
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 Sep 6, 11, 14:41    #266
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.

Really? Do I? Could you be so kind as to either post a link to a post here where I quote from wikipedia and provide a link showing that part of the article which I quote was edited in the time between the post I was replying to and my post? Or is this yet another example of you simply lying about other posters just because when the truth is told you get your arse kicked by them each and every time?
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Sep 6, 11, 15:12    #267
where I quote from wikipedia

I doubt very much that you edit it, the point is though, that Wiki is not a quotable source, as anyone, with any agenda, could have written anything on there, that is its essence.
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 Sep 6, 11, 17:55    #268
I doubt very much that you edit it,

He does all the time.
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 Sep 6, 11, 18:02    #269
He does all the time.

I note that you have repeated your claim without bothering to provide the links I requested: clearly you are lying and you know that you have been caught lying.
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 Sep 6, 11, 18:58    #270
People like Palivec, PFEI and Nathan actively edit wiki before posting what they wrote as source.


Yes, sure:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_early_modern_univers ities_in_Europe&action=history

Last edited 18 days before I posted the link here. LOL!


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