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Defying Germaniztion in 1901 Polish boy writes 'German girls are ugly'


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Edited by: PennBoy  Jul 20, 11, 20:55    #1
In the hundred some years after the rebellion of Września's children against Germanization in their schools, the Regional Museum in the city reached the amazing notebook kept by one of Września's boys.

"Our girls are most beautiful"

Little Bronek wasn't just interested in history. - The student describes his relationship with girls. "Our girls are the most beautiful in the world, they make love passionately and honestly. German women don't know how to make love or live, they are ugly and with clumsy bodies" - wrote in 1901, 14-year-old Bronislaw Klimas.- it's very interesting opinions - adds Mazurkiewicz.

The found issue is the first such memorial in the Museum about the strike coming from the participant's children. The facility - in addition to a reconstructed class of that time - are also on the court's striking students and parents catechisms student.

The unbreakable children of Wrzesnia

What caused the strikes was the German authorities decision of 4 March 1901 to introduce a regulation requiring the teaching of religion in German in classes of 12 - and 13-year-olds. The Catholic School of Folk Wrzesnia bought German catechisms for children, because they did not want their parents to buy. Most students refused to adopt them. Those who took catechisms, gave them back the next day. Nearly 40 students boycotted German catechisms. Protesters were detained in this way in school longer, and the most resistant whipped.

May 20, 1901, 14 students refused to learn German religious songs. Ordered flogging. The girls had been beaten on the hands and the boys on the buttocks. A few months later, in November 1901, 25 participants of the strike stood before a court in Gniezno . The court held that it was a rebellion and disturbance of public order. Participants of the strike were sentenced to two to two and a half months in prison. Nevertheless, the boycotts of German language in Wrzesnia lasted until 1904. Following the example of the children of Wrzesnia, strikes started in other schools, including students from nearby Miłosławia.
http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1591453,0,1,niemki-kochac-nie-umieja--sa-brz ydkie-i-niezgrabne,wiadomosc.html

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 Jul 20, 11, 21:53    #2
PennBoy:
I in my most honest opinion have never heard a Pole say German girls are good looking.

Given that you are an American who lives in America, that isn't too surprising.
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 Jul 20, 11, 21:55    #3
Bronek Klimas must have been onto something. Even today it is said: You know you are in Poland becasue of hte rutted. potholed roads. And you know you are in Germany becuase the cows are more attractive than the women!
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 Jul 20, 11, 22:09    #4
PennBoy:
I've been to Hamburg on a week long trip so I must have seen a couple hundred women. They are, rough faces, big heads, masculine jaw. I in my most honest opinion have never heard a Pole say German girls are good looking


Penn there are definitely good looking German women out there.

But I think in general, German men and women are letting themselves get out of shape. Prosperity has been affecting their waistlines.

They say actually the non-ethnic German population in Germany is in better shape then ethnic Germans.

That's why their German nude beaches are on the decline
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/20/us-germany-nudists-idUSTRE76 J3KW20110720
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 Jul 20, 11, 22:10    #5
Harry:

I also wonder what would happen to Lithuanian children in Poland who refuse to use any Polish language text
books in Polish schools today.


They certainly wouldn't be flogged, like the Polish children in Września were. One of the reasons why
Polish parents, in the Prussian occupied part of Poland, protested in support of the "Września strike",
was the outrage caused by the use of physical violence against their kids by the Prussian authorities.

Harry:
Interesting to see children being racist


The protest had nothing to do with "race". The children only wanted to pray in their own language,
and their protest was about religion lessons only.

Interesting to see how you call children wanting to pray in their own language, the way that their
grandmothers and mothers taught them, "racist". I can understand provocation or trolling, but there
is a thin red line of stupidity that should not be crossed.
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 Jul 20, 11, 23:01    #6
The boy likely wrote that more from a comparison with Polish girls rather than German girls being ugly.
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Edited by: emha  Jul 20, 11, 23:13    #7
TheOther:
You mean that part of the German Empire that is now Poland again? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrze%C5%9Bnia
The city was first mentioned in 1256. Early sources speak of Wressna (1317) or Wresna (1364). Września was granted town privileges in the 14th century. The town was burned down 1664 (other sources speak of 1656) in the war against Sweden. The majority of inhabitants were Poles, but since mid-17th century there have also been German settlements. The city was annexed by Kingdom of Prussia in 1793, following the Second Partition of Poland. In 1807 it became part of the Duchy of Warsaw, but fell back to Prussia in 1815.

In 1905 the town was inhabited by about 7000 people of which 65.4% were Poles, 28.9% Germans and 5.5% Jews. In the surrounding county, Poles comprises 85.6% of the population. The hundred year long Prussian rule came to an end with the outbreak of the Wielkopolska Uprising in 1918. In 1920, the city once again became part of Poland.

On September 10, 1939 Germans occupied the city. The Synagogue was destroyed by the Nazis in 1940. During the War a camp was erected for French POWs. The Red Army reached the city in 1945, and Września became Polish again


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 Jul 20, 11, 23:50    #8
TheOther:
The article is pure propaganda in my eyes. Polish or not - 12 or 13 year old children do not demonstrate on their own.

Soweto Uprising
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 Jul 20, 11, 23:54    #9
TheOther:
Polish or not - 12 or 13 year old children do not demonstrate on their own.

but millions upon millions of rocks thrown by children of these ages in occupied Palestine are hard evidence to the contrary.
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Edited by: TheOther  Jul 20, 11, 23:59    #10
Most of the children in the Soweto Uprising were much older than 12 or 13, AFAIK, and the little ones were most likely drawn in by their older peers. Also, don't forget: 1901 was a totally different time. The protests in Września were definitely a sign of Polish resistance, but to call that "The unbreakable children of Wrzesnia" is a bit much.

PennBoy:
We had a 12 year old promiscuous girl in the tower block I lived in back in Poland.

Remember: we are talking 1901.

Des Essientes:
but millions upon millions of rocks thrown by children of these ages in occupied Palestine are hard evidence to the contrary.

Do you really believe that this is their own idea? I don't.
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 Jul 21, 11, 00:00    #11
I think that he heard it from his parents or other adults.Either way when you are oppressed you usually fight back and that's what this boy did.Maybe in stupid way but still.
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 Jul 21, 11, 00:02    #12
TheOther:
A 14 year old catholic (!) boy knows how to make love? Yeah, right...

Right, I thought it was very disturbing. And already being able to compare German and Polish girls?
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 Jul 21, 11, 00:04    #13
Marynka11:
And already being able to compare German and Polish girls?

Well.... Maybe from the time they were all playing in the same sandbox he found it hard to tell their (German) boys and girls apart. ;)
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 Jul 21, 11, 00:13    #14
Lenka:
Either way when you are oppressed you usually fight back and that's what this boy did.Maybe in stupid way but still.

This student protest was not stupid. As for the boy's opinion regarding the German girls perhaps he meant that these girls had ugly personalities which were influenced by an imperious attitude the German minority in the town may have had as its settler overlords, perhaps the German girls around his age in the town were all really physically ugly. It was a small town. In any event it was a sentence he wrote in a notebook which is not an act of protest anyway.
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Edited by: TheOther  Jul 21, 11, 00:15    #15
Barney, I tried to find some information about the age of the protesters in the Soweto Uprising, and came across this list:

http://www.sahistory.org.za/article/june-16-1976-casualties-south-afri can-history-online

Looks like many protesters were older, as I suspected.
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 Jul 21, 11, 00:18    #16
Marynka11:
Right, I thought it was very disturbing.

Sexual precociousness is nothing new and I doubt that there has ever been a society on earth that could keep all of their 14 year old kids chaste.
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Edited by: Lenka  Jul 21, 11, 00:22    #17
Des Essientes:
In any event it was a sentence he wrote in a notebook which is not an act of protest anyway.

Even if he wrote it in a notebook for me it's still an act of protest.He didn't like what he saw and expressed it.
Des Essientes:
As for the boy's opinion regarding the German girls perhaps he meant that these girls had ugly personalities

You really believe this?That all German girls had ugly personalities?I don't.
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Edited by: Barney  Jul 21, 11, 00:23    #18
TheOther:
1901 was a totally different time.

Indeed it was, a lack of electronic media suggests that the children were reflecting the true views of the community. To stop talking infront of your children is not an option children will react, anyway this was social engineering with unreasonable pressures placed upon the parents and as you said can’t apply contemporary views.

This happens every where there is oppression and what is more oppressive than attempting to remove someones ability to communicate with their ancestors. That may seem hyperbole but remember we are talking about children.

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The ages of the dead illustrate the indiscriminate slaughter that oppressive regimes unleash when confronted. Unfortunately it means nothing
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Edited by: TheOther  Jul 21, 11, 00:29    #19
Barney:
Indeed it was, a lack of electronic media suggests that the children were reflecting the true views of the community.

Exactly, and in this case the "true view of the community" was the view of their parents (my opinion, of course). I'm pretty sure that those 12/ 13 year old kids just repeated what they heard at home, and that they acted upon what they were told to do by their parents.
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TheOther:
Exactly, and the "true view of the community" was the view of their parents in this case (my opinion, of course). I'm pretty sure that those 12/ 13 year old kids just repeated what they heard at home, and that they acted upon what they were told to do by their parents.

That’s how society works. What are you going to do when you disagree with something don’t talk infront of the children? The state was reaching into the home and children react.
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Edited by: Des Essientes  Jul 21, 11, 00:56    #21
Lenka:
You really believe this?That all German girls had ugly personalities?I don't.


I was just offering it a possible explanation for his disdain. I actually believe that the following alternative is more likely, but I wasn't going to mention it for reasons of discretion: All of the German girls he had made love to were ugly. You can't blame a guy his age for wanting to get his rocks off with any girl that's willing, but this prurient conjecture, as probable as I think it is, is tertiary, at best, to the thread’s main topic which is the student protest defying Germanization.
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 Jul 21, 11, 01:08    #22
Barney:
What are you going to do when you disagree with something don’t talk infront of the children?

That's why I see the title "The unbreakable children of Wrzesnia" as a very melodramatic one (rather typical for Poland, I might add). It should've been "The resistance of the parents of Wrzesnia" instead.
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Des Essientes:
but millions upon millions of rocks thrown by children of these ages in occupied Palestine are hard evidence to the contrary.


Manipulated by their political leaders to 'hate' people who are the same as them.

If you can't see that children are very easily manipulated to follow certain paths, then you need to spend more time analysing them.
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TheOther:
That's why I see the title "The unbreakable children of Wrzesnia" as a very melodramatic one (rather typical for Poland, I might add). It should've been "The resistance of the parents of Wrzesnia" instead.

The Other your naivete regarding the proclivity for teenage students to protest without parental instigation is laughable, and, I suspect, it is feigned so that you can dismiss a true instance of Polish bravery as a fabrication by "typically melodramatic Poles". Stereotyping is the recourse of inferior minds.
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Des Essientes:
 The Other your naivete regarding the proclivity for teenage students to protest without parental instigation is laughable, and, I suspect, it is feigned so that you can dismiss a true instance of Polish bravery as a fabrication by "typically melodramatic Poles". Stereotyping is the recourse of inferior minds.


I think you dreadfully underestimate the power of parents and religion in pre-WW1 Poland.

We don't know the facts and there's no point speculating about it, but in those times - children simply didn't 'rebel'.

What you say holds true nowadays, but certainly not then - especially as these would have been rather wealthy children and not ruffians.
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Des Essientes:
 so that you can dismiss a true instance of Polish bravery

C'mon, let's have a civil discussion at least for once, Des.
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Never mind, the mods have yet again removed half of the posts. :(
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 Manipulated by their political leaders to 'hate' people who are the same as them.

As if the Hebrew speaking soldiers occupying the West Bank that deny the Palestinians their human rights wouldn't be hated by Palestinian youths unless said youths' political leaders told them to, or as if the German authorities trying to stamp out the Polish language in occupied Poland would've been obeyed by Polish youths unless their parents told them to resist. Both of these false scenarios are insulting to the dignity of youthful resistance to foreign occupation. One needn't be very old to despise illegitimate authorities and to act upon this justified spite.
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 C'mon, let's have a civil discussion at least for once, Des.

I have been naught but civil. You should admit that the Polish youths that endured corporal punishment rather than submit to Germanization were indeed heroic.
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 Jul 21, 11, 05:34    #29
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 Little Bronek wasn't just interested in history. - The student describes his relationship with girls. "Our girls are the most beautiful in the world, they make love passionately and honestly. German women don't know how to make love or live, they are ugly and with clumsy bodies" - wrote in 1901, 14-year-old Bronislaw Klimas.- it's very interesting opinions - adds Mazurkiewicz.


A 14 year old effing around, how charming.
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 Jul 21, 11, 06:41    #30
delphiandomine
 children simply didn't 'rebel'.


you have got to be kidding me!! I have a 14 year old and I remember 14 myself..
you think they dont rebel?? I wouldnt doubt this.. especially the time. how often was
Poland forced to write russian, and german.. age 14 thats when teens are figuring out
they have sexual feelings.. and they can only think about girls or boys..

PennBoy
 The girls had been beaten on the hands and the boys on the buttocks.


this alone would trigger a whole classroom to revolt.. you going to stand around and watch some
teacher/person beat one of your friends over something you believe in strongly.. and I am sure
the culture at home was even stronger then it is today.

And by him saying they dont like german girls, its a counter attack from them forcing their
ideals on them.. hate everything they stand for even their women.


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