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An international delegation that includes many Muslim members will visit the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp site on tuesday, as part of the Aladdin Project to curb Holocaust denial and disseminate information about the Holocaust in the Muslim world. The French-based project, launched at UNESCO’s Paris headquarters some two years ago, is a cultural and educational program partially sponsored by France’s Foundation for the Memory of the Shoah. It includes an Internet site, projetaladin.org, whose aims including providing Arabic and Farsi speakers with an accurate account of the concentration camps’ history. The site offers online Arabic and Farsi translations of books, including Anne Frank’s diary.A major part of the program is devoted to combating Holocaust denial, as well as to battling radical groups and individuals.


http://www.projetaladin.org/en/lorem-ipsum-dolor-sit-amet.html

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/muslims-to-visit-auschwitz-i n-project-to-curb-holocaust-denial-1.339408
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warszawski
That is noble idea. Of course some of the muslims in Auschwitz would secretly celebrate and cherish the Shoah. This is unavoidable.

On the other hand - project aladin website motto is: "Building bridges of knowledge between Jews and Muslims".
But this site is full of articles about Jew history, tradition and customs.
I failed to spot anything from "the other side".
For instance - there is no project that aim to learn young Israelis some Muslim culture.

It seems that "building a bridge" mean efforts to make Muslims sorry and that's it.
Very one-sided approach.
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enkidu:
It seems that "building a bridge" mean efforts to make Muslims sorry and that's it.Very one-sided approach.


I don't know if it is one sided or not as I have not seen the plans or projects of Aladin. There is always an agenda, it will be interesting to see how it is reported once it hits the mainstream media.

On a fun note: I was told recently there are no expletives in Hebrew, and that Jews explete using Arabic words, I thought that was quite amusing.
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I suspect the underlying strategy in this effort to teach Muslims about the Nazis' extermination camps is to get them to adopt the flawed rationale for the existence of a Jewish supremacist state in Palestine. However the fact remains that the Europe's past treatment of its Jews does not justify the dispossession of the Palestinian people.
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warszawski:
On a fun note: I was told recently there are no expletives in Hebrew, and that Jews explete using Arabic words, I thought that was quite amusing.


Well... The modern Hebrew is an artificial language that was invented quite recently. Some people insist it was "restored", but I think it's far fetched statement. No wonder that coarse worlds were omitted. :)
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Des Essientes:
I suspect the underlying strategy in this effort to teach Muslims about the Nazis' extermination camps is to get them to adopt the flawed rationale for the existence of a Jewish supremacist state in Palestine.


I believe they have the Arab deniers in their sights. Palestine is another story.
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warszawski:
I believe they have the Arab deniers in their sights.


I have never heard any Arab or Muslim denying the Holocaust.
On the contrary - they believe in Holocaust. They just think that it wasn't enough.

That's why I think that the idea of sponsored trips to Auschwitz is not a good idea.
They may learn something from their predecessor's "mistakes".
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Joined: Mar 28, 09 ♂ 		 Jan 30, 11, 19:52    #8
Do you see a similar or same hand in this visit organization to the mosque construction on Ground Zero of New York? Someones are trying to remind us of that all these three religions have same root, Abraham religions, and all these are a unification attempt? Well, imagine they are united. It is a big power in the world then with 2/3 of world population are belong to Abraham religions. Looks like a goddy design.
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NomadatNet:
It is a big power in the world then with 2/3 of world population are belong to Abraham religions.


It cost a lot of money to run a war. Education is a better tool than sending in the boys.
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If that is the case, I don't see a war, with big bombs.. Maybe, a global civil world war.
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NomadatNet:
Maybe, a global civil world war.



You will have to explain?
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warszawski:
You will have to explain?


You already answered it yourself.

NomadatNet:
It is a big power in the world then with 2/3 of world population are belong to Abraham religions (when these three religions are united. if that is the plan.)


warszawski:
It cost a lot of money to run a war.


NomadatNet:
If that is the case, I don't see a war, with big bombs.. Maybe, a global civil world war.


Where the money is the bullet, any war is a civil war.
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warszawski:
Maybe, a global civil world war.


If the term 'global civil war' is applicable, then it presupposes the existence of, or a process leading towards, a global society. Therefore, the question of whether the term 'global civil war' is a relevant category is also a question of whether today's world is moving towards a global society, which I don't believe it is. Furthermore, even if the three faiths came together, it only covers two thirds of the people/world.
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NomadatNet:
Where the money is the bullet, any war is a civil war.

Anyone else thinking " Ahh Glasshopper...."?

While its a "nice idea" the very nature of these unity groups means they generaly only atract the tree huggers of either side. I doubt we shall see Armydinnerjacket weeping outside block 11 anytime soon.
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warszawski:
If the term 'global civil war' is applicable, then it presupposes the existence of, or a process leading towards, a global society. Therefore, the question of whether the term 'global civil war' is a relevant category is also a question of whether today's world is moving towards a global society, which I don't believe it is. Furthermore, even if the three faiths came together, it only covers two thirds of the people/world.


Lets go for local first before going for global. Lets take only Poland and forget all other countries in the world. Lets say all citizens accepted to be belong to one same Church, one national Polish identity with a Poland citizenship, one same culture. So, all social unification target by any state aims is reached. These are not a dream. All countries in the world are in the same similar stiuation already, a society in theirselves, whether they are formed willingly or forcefully. But, in every of them, there is already a civil war (for zloty in Poland, for eg.) in daily life of everyone. So, why not do this by going for global? At least, we and them world leaders stop wasting time by such absurd discussions around the church or the mosque or the museums, etc. Instead of dying foolishly within a group war that has nothing to do with my own interests, I'd prefer to dye for my own personal interest if a war is unavoidable. With the global civil war, this is possible unlike the other ways of wars.

Connecting these to the construction of the mosque in Ground Zero and the visit of those muslims to Auschwitz. Ask those construction American workers who will work at the construction of the mosque and ask the shops in Auschwitz who need tourists for shopping. They will support the mosque construction and the visit to Auschwitz and rightly so. So, you will be doing a war with them if you are against these from social point of view and I am sure they will win.
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enkidu:
I have never heard any Arab or Muslim denying the Holocaust.


wasn't there a 'revisionist" conference a few years ago organised by the president of Iran?

The Protocols are also quite widely read in many Arab countries.
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NomadatNet:
Instead of dying foolishly within a group war that has nothing to do with my own interests, I'd prefer to dye for my own personal interest if a war is unavoidable. With the global civil war, this is possible unlike the other ways of wars.


I am for the living and enjoying life...

Trevek:
wasn't there a 'revisionist" conference a few years ago organised by the president of Iran?


The International Conference to Review the Global Vision of the Holocaust was a two-day conference that opened on December 11, 2006, in Tehran, Iran.
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warszawski:
I am for the living and enjoying life...


Everybody so.
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enkidu:
Very one-sided approach.

Absolutely - until Israelis tour Gaza/( a Warsaw Ghetto of their own making) and Detention Centres for rock throwing young terrorists /( were the AK terrorists) ???.
Collective Punishment and Sub-Humanity is the daily lot of the Palestinians and hardly anyone cares???
The Death Camps were yesterday's tragedy and so is today's Israeli cruel oppression and occupation of the Palestinians.
No none can deny the Holocaust but so much sympathy's been lost to Israeli arrogance that a trip to Auschwitz won't undo the damage.
Let it fall into disrepair and become nothing more than a cemetery.
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Boz:
Absolutely - until Israelis tour Gaza/( a Warsaw Ghetto of their own making) and Detention Centres for rock throwing young terrorists /( were the AK terrorists) ???.

It's a French organization. What do they have to do with Gaza? Not to mention that it's run by an international group...

From the site:
At the suggestion of many of our interlocutors in the Muslim world and in the West, we have launched an ambitious project to produce a dozen books in Arabic, Persian, Turkish and French (with English and Hebrew versions to come out later) on the common history of Jews and Muslims through the centuries past. Destined for the general public, the books will present a concise but precise history of Jewish-Muslim relations in countries such as Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Libya, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Palestine, Iran (and Afghanistan), Iraq, Turkey and Yemen. As the once thriving Jewish presence in many of these lands has come to an end, most people and particularly the younger generations are completely uninformed of this part of their country’s history.
A distinguished panel of historians and experts from Europe, the Arab world, Turkey and Iran under the chairmanship of Professor Abdou Filali-Ansary oversees the production of the series. The series editor is historian Michel Abitbol, pre-eminent expert on the history of the Maghreb.
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Boz:
Absolutely - until Israelis tour Gaza/( a Warsaw Ghetto of their own making) and Detention Centres for rock throwing young terrorists /( were the AK terrorists) ???.


I suggest you travel to Israel/Palestine and see for yourself what is happening. It is a completely different situation to what you suggest " Warsaw Ghetto". Boz- your post 20 has NO fact and can only be considered a " Rant"
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convex:
It's a French organization. What do they have to do with Gaza? Not to mention that it's run by an international group...


What the French have to do with Gaza?
Exactly the same what they have got to do with Auschwitz.
Basically - nothing in the both cases.
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Here is quote from "projectaladin"


We, women and men in public life, historians, intellectuals and people from all faiths, have come together to declare that the defence of values of justice and fraternity must overwhelm all obstacles to prevail over intolerance, racism and conflict.

With every passing day, we witness a rising tide of hatred and violence filling the gulf of misunderstanding.

This particularly affects the current relations between Muslims and Jews, while for centuries - in Persia, throughout the Middle East, in North Africa and across the Ottoman Empire - they lived together often in harmony.

We say clearly that the Israelis and the Palestinians have a right to their own state, their own sovereignty and security and that any peace process with such aims must be supported.
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For all those wondering what "The French" have to do with this it might be good to remember where a lot of Polish people ended up having to live in the 19th C.
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warszawski:
I suggest you travel to Israel/Palestine and see for yourself what is happening. It is a completely different situation to what you suggest " Warsaw Ghetto". Boz- your post 20 has NO fact and can only be considered a " Rant"

No it is your claim that Gaza doesn't resemble the Warsaw ghetto under seige that is a rant you insesitive clownish apologist for Zionist crimes. Gazans are under total blockade by the Zionists and they are shot by Zionist snipers for no reason. Moreovoer 75% of Gazans are refugees from areas that the Zionists kicked them out of in 1948, and why did they kick them out? Because they were of the wrong religion according to the Zionists, just as the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were of the wrong religion according to the Nazis. Hopefully I'll travel to Palestine someday in the ranks of a victorious army liberating the land from the rule of the ethno-supremacist Zionist criminals.
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Zionists are evils? Then, every individual person who is buying a land using money today are evils.

It is comedy especially when people from Allies of the WWII critisize Zionists. Lets remember who were Allies of WWII: Soviet Union, United States, British Empire, China, France, Canada, Australia, New Zeland, South Africa, Yugoslavia, Belgium, Netherlands, Greece, Norway and others. Zionists bought the land in Palestine region by money from these sellers. This is called peacefully owned. Perhaps, them Zionists too should have killed people to have a land like these and others do? (Believe it or not, there was a survey among Arabs in Israel who were asked if they prefer to live in Israel or in another Arab region. Big majority of them said they prefer to live in Israel.)
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NomadatNet:
Perhaps, them Zionists too should have killed people to have a land like these and others do?


They did it. A lot.
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enkidu:
They did it. A lot.


When? Israel's reactional operations against attacks to them to protect themselves as well as Arab origin people living in Israel who too are Israel citizens?
Or, are you talking about some individuals who done somethings elsewhere anywhere in the world?
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At the time of Israel's foundation only 6% of historic Palestine was owned by Zionists who had purchased it legally from the indigenous people. They took the rest by force, and before anyone claims that the Arab citizens of Israel are treated well they should remember that around one million other Arabs were forced out of their homes in 1948 and they are not allowed to return because they aren't Jewish. That is racism plain and simple.
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Des Essientes:
At the time of Israel's foundation only 6% of historic Palestine was owned by Zionists who had purchased it legally from the indigenous people. They took the rest by force, and before anyone claims that the Arab citizens of Israel are treated well they should remember that around one million other Arabs were forced out of their homes in 1948 and they are not allowed to return because they aren't Jewish. That is racism plain and simple.

That sounds so sad, guess they should have fought harder....we're wandering well off-topic.

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