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Early begginings of `democracy` and Polish contribution to it



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Edited by: Crow  Apr 24, 09, 18:27    #1
Now, this is topic that greately intrigues me.

In general, it is accepted that Greaks and Romans gave fundaments to `democracy` and civilization. But feel free to forget about it. Actualy there are numerous spirits that would tell you that fundaments of modern `democracy` and civilization ultimately beggining to develop inside of early Slavic (Proto-Slavic) societies.

Are you aware of great Polish contribution to begginings of democracy and modern concept of civilization?

Let me remind you...

Sarmatism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarmatism

What contemporary Polish historians consider one of the most essential features of this tradition is not Sarmatian ideology but the manner in which the Rzeczpospolita was governed. The democratic concepts of law and order, self-government and elective offices constituted an inseparable part of Sarmatism. The king, though elected, still held the central position in the state, but his power was limited by various legal acts and requirements. Moreover, only the nobles were given political rights, namely the vote in the Sejmik and the Sejm. Every poseł (or member of sejm, had the right to exercise the so-called liberum veto, which could block the passage of a proposed new resolution or law. Finally, in the event that the king failed to abide by the laws of the state, or tried to limit or question nobles’ privileges, they had the right to refuse the king’s commands, and to oppose him by force of arms.

But, `Sarmatism` isn`t only reminder of Polish/Slavic contribution to fundaments of `democracy`.

Spot this and compare it with above quotation...

Parliament

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliament

Origins of parliamentary government

Ancient Indian, Vedic texts mention of two Parliament-like gatherings of the Indo-Aryan kingdoms called the Sabhā and the Samiti. During the time of the Buddha, many states were forms of republics, called the Sanghas. The Sabha has been interpreted by the historians as a representative assembly of the elect—the important men of the clan, which ran day-to-day business with the king. The Samiti seems to be a gathering of all the male members of the kingdom, and probably convened only for the ratification/election of a new king. The two largely democratic institutions, which kept a check on the absolutism of the king, were given a sacred position, and have been called the daughters of the deity Prajapati in the Vedas, the holiest of all Hindu scriptures and the earliest Indo-European literature. However, these democratic institutions became weaker as republics became larger and elected chieftainship moved towards hereditary and absolute monarchy.

NOTE: Inscriptions from Vedic texts are interesting here because Rg Veda`s reffering on Sarmatian/Scythian (Proto Slavic) cultural influence on Indian tradition. It is well known that Buddha was white and of Scythian origin. Buddha belonged to ruling lighter caste of Indian society. The term Buddha means `Awakened` and even today any Slav would recognize such a menaing of name `Buda (Buddha)` from the angle of Slavic languages.

for example, on modern day Serbian language... Probudjeni > proBudjeni > Budni (always meaning- one who is awaken)... Buda (Buddha)

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Edited by: Crow  Apr 25, 09, 13:37    #2
few maps and plate from book- `Sarmaci` by Polish author Tadeusz Sulimirski:

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THE INTERPRETATION OF SCYTHIAN, SARMATIAN AND MEOTIAN-SARMATIAN MOTIFS AND RECORDS, by Sergei V. Rjabchikov

public.kubsu.ru/~usr02898/sl29.htm

The Scythians were in my opinion the Proto-Slavs (the Indo-Aryans). According to the History of Herodotus (Books III and IV), the Arimaspi, men with one eye, lived on the north near the gold-guarding griffins and the Hyperboreans.

NOTE: Scythians are nomadic (in general) branch of Sarmatians

gog & magog

http://www.geocities.com/amuse_amenace/gog.htm

Sarmatian tribes were no doubt Slavic. Jordanes gave the history of interaction between the Sclaveni and the Goths as they moved from Scandinavia circa 200 AD. "Sarmatian tribes were distinguished by Sclavonic language."

In order to analize development of `democracy` as product of ancient Proto Slavic society we should analize available data.

If we accept that hyperborean Aryans were Sarmatians (Scythians) and if we understand that Rg Veda texts preserved records of Sarmatian conflict with darker races and then retreat of Sarmatians from arround Ind River, we must be aware that Sarmatian invasion onto India introduced different type of social organization to native Indian population. As well as more advanced (for that time) social structure, Sarmatians probably also introduced revolutionary knowladge of agriculture to domicile Indian population. After all, no wonder that Buddha `father` of Budism and Hinduism appeared on historical scene as hyperborean (wise stranger). As a member of ruling caste (Brahmin) once established from conquerors (Sarmatians/Scythians), he was accepted as God who transfered his knowladge to people that worshiped him.

Sarmatian woman
Sarmatian woman
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Apr 25, 09, 18:59    #3
The Polish-Lithuanian federation was a 'prototype' for Parliamentary type of governance, although it was more along the British 'House of Lords' model...As far as 'Gog and Magog', I would suggest this term refers to the Khazars and the Red Kagans and their Turk cousins...For a Muslim perspective on this, 'google' 'Ya'juj wa Ma'Juj'...The prophet Ezekiel mentions them, but they are confused with Russians by many scholars/students.
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 Feb 20, 10, 14:26    #4
This is where Poland is streets ahead of its neighbours to the east. Compare Poland to Belarus and Russia, there is no comparison.
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Edited by: jeden  Feb 20, 10, 15:08    #5
The more important thing is rather this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neminem_captivabimus


this is polish Habeus Corpus Act
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 Feb 20, 10, 20:30    #6
Yes, this good, although only for szchlata, not peasants, ordinary people...But, yes, ahead of it's time in a sense.
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 Feb 20, 10, 22:36    #7
although only for szchlata

yes but only szlachta was a nation...



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