Effects of Living under Communism

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Edited by: pgtx Dec 14, 10, 03:05 #31

and Kazik once again...
40 years after events of December'70, Kazik sings the famous "Ballada o Janku Wiśniewskim" dedicated to Zbyszek Godlewski... Zbyszek was a 18-years old worker of Stocznia Gdańska, shot by soldiers while going to work on December 17th, 1970... the protesters (workers of Stocznia Gdanska) put his body on a door and marched in protest through the streets of Gdynia...

it's a leading song in the movie "Czarny Czwartek" ("Black Thursday") which will be to see in the movies on February 25th 2011... the movie will be brutal...

those are the effects of this black card in the Polish history....

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Dec 14, 10, 03:50 #32

Seanus:

Things which are basic to most Westerners seems to elude the older generation here. I held the door open for 7 elderly folk today and only one said thanks. They just don't have a clue how to behave in the modern world.

I think it is more about expectations. Old women, pregnant women, even the young ones always expected the man to open and hold the door for them or to give up their seat on the bus. It was your job, so why say 'thank you'? And, if you as a man did not do that, others will be happy to remind you your duty. :)

Bzibzioh:

You were a rebel just for listening to radio Free Europe.

That's true. I was just a kid watching my father with his ear pressed against the radio and trying to hear what 'Voice of America' or 'Radio free Europe' has to say on UKF I or UKF II. Arrgh...the sounds, the squeaking coming out of the radio...with an occasional, audible sentence... He was turning the volume higher and higher, until my mom screamed 'turn it down! the neighbors can hear it and will tell on you!"

My post-commie leftovers? I totally do not trust what I hear on the news, if it is political. Especially now. I listen to different stations and make my own conclusions.
What I miss? Walking at night alone as a kid or a young adult knowing that nobody will attack me.

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Dec 14, 10, 06:10 #33

Eurola:

Old women, pregnant women, even the young ones always expected the man to open and hold the door for them or to give up their seat on the bus.

Interesting point, I expect my husband to do that for me and other women. Part of the reason why I married him was I saw him slam our car once into park while driving down a street near our house and rush over to help an elderly gentleman who had fallen and his elderly wife was trying unsuccessfully to help him up. That's what a man is supposed to do. I never thought of it as being polish or something else. To me, that's what makes my hubby hot.

Of course, I also don't touch the trash, that's his job as man, so is the grass. I, on the other hand, do the laundry. And because he works while I don't, I cook and clean. Man role vs. woman role clearly defined. I wonder if that is a European influence?

Eurola:

Walking at night alone as a kid or a young adult knowing that nobody will attack me.

That I do not count on in US. In Poland, I felt safer at night but still not completely so. I don't think there is anywhere in this world like that anymore, sadly.

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Dec 14, 10, 07:19 #34

Eurola:

It was your job, so why say 'thank you'? And, if you as a man did not do that, others will be happy to remind you your duty. :)

By the same token, should you be reminded of your place when you get out of line, or a bit uppity? I mean, like back in the day? Of course not, we've evolved a bit past that. From everything that I've heard, people have become more recluse and drawn in after the borders opened up, not less. The younger generation, of course, but the older generation sees a complete break down in morals and values (the old recurring theme I suppose).

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 11:05 #35
I would like to live one day in communist Poland to get nostalgic of the heaven.

bimber94Threads: 9 Posts: 400 Joined: Mar 13, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 13:09 #36
Maybe: On a superficial level, Poland despite busily rebuilding still retains lots of ugly grey blocky architecture That's only partly true these days. Three weeks ago I saw old Communist-style (i.e. NO style), sad-looking, grey blocks of flats being insulated on the outside, then painted in several vivid colours. This was in Myszków and Zawiercie.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,955 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 14:35 #37
Communism taught people to prefer the communist Cola.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 19:51 #38
A very many fukkers left in the position of power, from shops managers to directors of offices and officers in police, security and army, banks and all !

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Dec 14, 10, 19:59 #39

Even my mother-in-law says Poloki :) The key is in the intention and that rarely comes across accurately on a forum. Not to mention the intonation ;)

She liked communism due to the full employment aspect. Yeah, the money wasn't hoped cuisine but certainty spoke for itself. She resents the fact that many graduates here are out of work but welcome to the whole of Europe, maybe bar none. Scotland is prosperous in many areas but still many flounder and forcibly settle for less.

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Dec 14, 10, 20:29 #40

Effects of living under commies? I cannot say for other Poles but as for me, it have made me very suspicious about any ideology. Especially if it pushed into my face.
Every time a media, authorities, government or whoever is trying to convince me of something, I feel that I should act just opposite. Even if it is something that on the surface seems reasonable, like “tolerance is good”, I feel the urge to do something to spite them. They speak to me from TV so they are enemies, no way around it.

Well, what I just just have written is kind of hyperbole, but you get the general feeling. The intense dislike of anything that I feel is being pushed at me.

trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 20:45 #41
kondzior: Even if it is something that on the surface seems reasonable, like “tolerance is good” This has become the common selling technique of the Left. They can make anything sound good while working towards underhanded ends.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Dec 14, 10, 20:59 #42
trener zolwia: They can make anything sound good while working towards underhanded ends. And what are these "underhanded ends"?

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 21:39 #43
trener zolwia: One needn't have lived under Commieism to learn this. We're talking now and then. High time. trener zolwia: All they need do is live in America today and pick up a newspaper or turn on network news for all the Lying Leftist propaganda they will ever need. And who is this "leftist" media owned by?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Dec 14, 10, 22:46 #44
The masses has been kept in dark sort of dummying down the voters so they can vote against their well being, the people who keep up with real news use internet but the internet is under attack so the information might disappear. Do you think all the crap that gov. and their propaganda network put out?

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Dec 15, 10, 00:08 #45
delphiandomine: And what are these "underhanded ends"? Social manipulation, in general. In case of tolerance, for example, it's about restricting the undesirable ideas. Social justice is about taxing people to finance the growth of leftist electorate, etc.

trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Edited by: trener zolwia Dec 15, 10, 00:44 #46
nott: Social manipulation, in general. In case of tolerance, for example, it's about restricting the undesirable ideas. Social justice is about taxing people to finance the growth of leftist electorate, etc. Very good, N. Two excellent examples.

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Dec 15, 10, 01:39 #47

nott:

Social manipulation, in general. In case of tolerance, for example, it's about restricting the undesirable ideas. Social justice is about taxing people to finance the growth of leftist electorate, etc.

And the opposite of tolerance is intolerance, which is also about restricting undesirable needs. The "Left" doesn't have any dominance in that area.

And you don't believe in social justice? Tusk would be proud of you :)

trener zolwiaThreads: 5 Posts: 2,786 Joined: Jun 8, 10 ♂	Dec 15, 10, 01:46 #48
delphiandomine: delphiandomine See, it was explained to you and you refuse to accept it. You question was disingenuous, I'm sure.

bimber94Threads: 9 Posts: 400 Joined: Mar 13, 09 ♂	Dec 15, 10, 11:01 #49
z_darius: And who is this "leftist" media owned by? The mega rich such as Mr Rockefeller, Warburg, Morgan......and the real perpetrators of 9/11. Or am I a 'facist (commies are too braindead to spell 'fascist')'?

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Dec 15, 10, 12:55 #50

delphiandomine:

And the opposite of tolerance is intolerance, which is also about restricting undesirable needs.

'Intolerance' is the opposite of 'tolerance' in its dictionary meaning, not of the tolerance as applied by the Left. As you yourself admit, in fact, so no contention here.

delphiandomine:

And you don't believe in social justice?

I do, I've seen it working. My parents saw it in a rather more drastic implementation. I can see it here, to a lesser extent. The false label adds insult to injury.

Social justice is a way of levelling the subjects up so there's no opposition strong enough to challenge the set-up. Those active ones are busy struggling and looking innocent, the others are happy on their justly deserved dole. The system crashes after the dole inevitably becomes too small, and converts into post-leftist oligarchy of 'now you've got the capitalism you wanted so much, stop whining.'

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