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WOULD EUROPE BE SAFER IF ŚLĄSK, SCOTLAND ET AL WERE FREE?

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Aug 23, 09, 17:22 #1

To varying degrees various European regions are demanding greater autonomy or outright independence. Would granting this make for a safer, more conflict-free Europe?
This could include Corsica, Wales, Silesia, Basque country, Scotland, Northern Italy and possiobly others. The opposite phenomenon (reunification) could apply to Romania and Moldova - the latter an artifical enclave created by Stalin.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:32 #2
Not if that means just more nation states. Europe needs more regions but less nation states... That is a development that needs to grow naturally and slowly.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:41 #3
Bratwurst Boy: Not if that means just more nation states. Exactly, we don't want to have hundreds of small countries like in the middle ages. We want a European Empire - as united and strong as possible. With the huge industrial, scientific and demographic potential, able to compete with other World's superpowers. BTW - how many people in Silesia want independence (or even autonomy)? 2-3%?

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:41 #4
I propose that all European regions adopt the flag of Thuringia, Germany.

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:43 #5
I second that motion :)

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:45 #6
BB, for final approval?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 23, 09, 17:47 #7
1jola: I propose that all European regions adopt the flag of Thuringia, Germany. Thuringia??? Why especially Thuringia??? Don't you think the regions can come up with their own flags??? (The bavarian flag hangs as high as the german flag...in Bavaria that is...) ;) edit: Googled...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,023 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Edited by: Torq Aug 23, 09, 17:48 #8
Bratwurst Boy: Thuringia??? Why especially Thuringia??? http://www.german-flag-history.com/german-state-flags.html (scroll down the page) I would also vote for Hessen flag, turned upside down ;)

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:51 #9
OMG

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 17:51 #10
Also, given that so many regions end with -land, we rename Europe Babeland.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 23, 09, 17:53 #11
I just fear that when every regions get's a golden Star on our Europe flag...it will be quite a lot....I don't know if that will look so great...

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Edited by: 1jola Aug 23, 09, 18:00 #12
The American flag started with 13 stars and it is quite handsome with 50 now. BTW, thanks for translating that plaque the other day; I'll post some pics of the German WWI cemetery in Mazury another time.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Aug 23, 09, 18:01 #13
1jola: The American flag started with 13 stars and it is quite handsome with 50 now. But with 100 too? I think we would make the 100 quite easily... Just look at this: Right now they count 260 (not all in the EU though)..

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 18:09 #14
That is a problem. One big red star? Awah, just got hit upside the head by my wife.

southernThreads: 116 Posts: 10,900 Joined: May 17, 07 ♂	Aug 23, 09, 18:22 #15
Polonius3: WOULD EUROPE BE SAFER IF ŚLĄSK, SCOTLAND ET AL WERE FREE? Yes,I am afraid of men with kilts.

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Aug 23, 09, 18:26 #16

Scotland and Wales are one thing, but do you honestly think that Silesia has any chance for an independance?
Free Silesia would mean huge economical difficulties for both Poland AND Silesia. Both countries would loose a lot and small countries with weak economy become dependent on bigger nations and loose importance on the World Stage. Furthermore, at least 50% of people living in Silesia are Poles, so the national language could never be declared Silesian because the Polish half would become enraged and, knowing our national character, they would carry on with uprisings - which obviously would be encouraged and supported by Poland, while Silesia would get no help from anybody. Given that Silesia would have no army, there would be no way of suppressing the uprisings and so Poles would have won and Silesia would go back to Poland where Silesians would certainly find themlesves in DEEP ****.

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Aug 24, 09, 19:33 #17
Europe would be safer with an Independant Scotland.

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Edited by: Sokrates Aug 24, 09, 19:42 #18

Polonius3:

This could include Corsica, Wales, Silesia, Basque country, Scotland, Northern Italy and possiobly others.

Virtually all you mentioned (except Scotland) have no real claim to independence and no Europe would be bloody destabilized.

vetala:

Free Silesia would mean huge economical difficulties for both Poland AND Silesia

No actually it would mean huge economic difficulties for Poland and MASSIVE income for Silesia, the only claim those bastards have is that they're greedy fvcks and autonomy would grant them mountains of money.

vetala:

Furthermore, at least 50% of people living in Silesia are Poles

92% to be exact, the majority of Silesians when ask in a survey ticked "Silesian" and "Polish" or just "Polish", only 5% ticked "Silesian" only or other posibility.

Torq:

I would also vote for Hessen flag, turned upside down ;)

Hessen got its flag wrong!

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Aug 24, 09, 19:55 #19
"Free" from what actually? The times that minorities and their regions were bloodily suppressed by the nation states fearing their cohesion should behind us now....I think...

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Aug 24, 09, 21:17 #20
Bratwurst Boy: The times that minorities and their regions were bloodily suppressed by the nation states fearing their cohesion should behind us now....I think... Which is why i singled out Scotland, they're not a minority they're a nation, if they want to be free from England let 'em. Silesian claim just pisses me off though, greedy jewish fvcks the lot of them.

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Aug 25, 09, 13:18 #21

What you think hmm? I am for independant Scotland! But more other countries then that is moronic. Iceland&Greenland to Norway! :D

Thuringian flag	Hessen flag
Deventer flag with a little modification	I like this one

szkotja2007Threads: 38 Posts: 2,543 Joined: Dec 29, 06 ♂	Edited by: szkotja2007 Aug 25, 09, 23:45 #22
Mr Grunwald: I am for independant Scotland! Well done. Sokrates: Scotland, they're not a minority they're a nation Thank you. Sokrates: if they want to be free from England let 'em. More and more people are voting for Independance - SNP got 29% of the vote,second best London Labour got 20% in the last Euro elections.