Exposing Gross - Poles and Jews after the Holocaust !

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Edited by: Ironside Jan 6, 11, 22:50 #1

A real historian about the subject. Enjoy and notice a difference!
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marek_Jan_Chodakiewicz&oldid =393365622

His book I'm referring to:
http://www.amazon.com/After-Holocaust-Professor-Marek-Chodakiewicz/dp/ 0880335114/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

It is advisable to read customers reviews !

WASHINGTON - MAY 3: Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff (R) swears-in new U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum council members May 3, 2005 in Washington, DC. The members are (L-R front row) Bruce L. Bialosky, Elena Neuman Lefkowitz, JoAnne Ginsberg, Marcia McCraw Horwitz, (2nd row) Constance B. Girard-diCarlo, Steven M. Levy, (back row) Edward I Koch, Marek Jan Chodakiewicz, Norman Hascoe and Michael I Lebovitz.

Holocaust Meeting

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Jan 6, 11, 23:03 #2

Gross should talk about Jew communists who murdered Polish Home Army Armia Krajowa soldiers, people who did so much for Poland, not like them who hid like scared little dogs in cellars or in the Soviet Union waiting for the war to be over so that they can come back and punish Poles "for what they did to them". Scum like Piotr Śmietański http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piotr_%C5%9Amieta%C5%84ski "Butcher of the Mokotow Prison" But that's Jews for ya always thinking only about themselves.

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Jan 6, 11, 23:16 #3

PennBoy:

Gross should talk about Jew communists who murdered Polish Home Army Armia Krajowa soldiers

Why? No-one is interested in the world about imagined Jewish Communists who murdered Polish AK soldiers. It's just not interesting enough to publish. And incidentally, don't you believe in the freedom of the press?

PennBoy:

not like them who hid like scared little dogs in cellars or in the Soviet Union waiting for the war to be over so that they can come back and punish Poles "for what they did to them".

Need I remind you that plenty of Polish Communists without a hint of Judaism in them hid in the Soviet Union or in cellars waiting for the end of the war, too? What about all the Polish nomeklatura during the early 1980's who sat quietly and didn't do a damn thing? Or what about those farmers who didn't get involved with Rural Solidarity and instead choose to continue their support of the Communists, simply because they were able to get away with all sorts of (illegal) private trade?

Sorry mate, but Polish Catholics were just as evil, if not more so.

PennBoy:

But that's Jews for ya always thinking only about themselves.

Says the boy who not only pledged allegiance to a foreign power, but also claims that he lied when he did it.

BBmanThreads: - Posts: 459 Joined: Jan 4, 11 ♂	Edited by: BBman Jan 6, 11, 23:33 #4
PennBoy: Piotr Śmietański Anyone see the resemblance? Both killers too. delphiandomine: No-one is interested in the world about imagined Jewish Communists who murdered Polish AK soldiers. No, you're wrong. It's actually forbidden (anti-semitic) to talk about jewish crimes.

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Jan 6, 11, 23:39 #5
PennBoy: "Butcher of the Mokotow Prison" ironic that someone of jewish heritage shot the guy who infiltrated auschwitz to tell the world about what was going on.

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Edited by: PennBoy Jan 7, 11, 00:14 #6

delphiandomine:

Need I remind you that plenty of Polish Communists without a hint of Judaism in them hid in the Soviet Union or in cellars waiting for the end of the war, too?

I'm not talking about religion f**k it, they were not ethnic Poles, that's why they didn't see anything wrong with torturing and killing their "Polish brothers" they knew they're really Jews not Poles. I know they're were ethinc Polish commies but most of the ones in charge of the killings were Jews. Jakub Berman, Helena Wolinska, Roman Romkowski, Piotr Śmietański, Julia Brystiger, Anatol Fejgin, Józef Światło, Józef Różański.
A recent study by the Polish Institute of National Remembrance showed that out of 450 people in director positions in the Ministry between 1944 and 1954, 167 (37.1%) were of Jewish ethnicity, while Jews made up only 1% of the post-war Polish population. Study made by the Institute of National Remembrance official statistics, not your la la land imagination.

delphiandomine:

Says the boy who not only pledged allegiance to a foreign power

OCD again???

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Jan 7, 11, 09:39 #7

PennBoy:

Gross should talk about Jew communists

He did: it got him sent to prison for doing so. How many of your heroes went to prison for Poland?

PennBoy:

Jew communists who murdered Polish Home Army Armia Krajowa soldiers

Yes, and then we can talk about the AK murderers who murdered Jews during WWII and afterwards. Perhaps you'd like to tell us who murdered 50% of the known survivors of Belzec and what for?

PennBoy:

they knew they're really Jews

Which explains why they all refused to work on Friday evenings and always went to the synagogue.

PennBoy:

A recent study by the Polish Institute of National Remembrance showed that out of 450 people in director positions in the Ministry between 1944 and 1954, 167 (37.1%) were of Jewish ethnicity, while Jews made up only 1% of the post-war Polish population.

Hugely amusing to see you quoting from an article about anti-semitism in order to push your anti-semitic agenda. Such a pity that you failed to give the source or to quote the two sentences immediately before the one you quote: "During Stalinism, the preferred Soviet policy was to keep sensitive posts in the hands of non-Poles. As a result "all or nearly all of the directors (of the widely despised Ministry of Public Security of Poland) were Jewish" as noted by Polish journalist Teresa Torańska among others." (source).

PennBoy:

always thinking only about themselves.

And who were you thinking about when you decided to betray Poland and swear allegiance to the USA when you could easily have remained a Pole.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Jan 7, 11, 23:55 #8
I understand that apologists and supporters of Gross thesis have nothing to say on the subject.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 8, 11, 11:41 #9
Ironside: I understand that apologists and supporters of Gross thesis have nothing to say on the subject. And I understand why the likes of you have nothing to say about who murdered half the survivors of Belzec deathcamp.

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Edited by: delphiandomine Jan 8, 11, 11:48 #10

BBman:

No, you're wrong. It's actually forbidden (anti-semitic) to talk about jewish crimes.

No it's not. Heck, in Poland of all places, it shouldn't be much of a problem to get a book published about evil Jews. But alas, such material is usually utter garbage based on historical grudges.

I for one would love to read a book which clearly detailed the crimes committed by Polish citizens of all religions and ethnicities between 1918 and the present day.

Harry:

How many of your heroes went to prison for Poland?

His hero is Jaroslaw Kaczynski, who was locked up for precisely..er....

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Jan 9, 11, 01:04 #11

delphiandomine:

I for one would love to read a book which clearly detailed the crimes committed by Polish citizens of all religions and ethnicities between 1918 and the present day.

Why so selective ? You have opportunity to learn something by reading a book about Jews and Poles after the Holocaust or about a book of the same author, a real historian about coexistence between those two from 1918 till 1945!
Why looking for crimes committed solely by Poles?
Well, why indeed ? One has to have an agenda - come out of a closet delph !

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Jan 9, 11, 02:11 #12

Ironside:

Why so selective ?

Because there are plenty of books that detail Russian and German crimes by their citizens, but very little in English detailing what Polish citizens were doing (to each other in many cases!).

Ironside:

You have opportunity to learn something by reading a book about Jews and Poles after the Holocaust or about a book of the same author, a real historian about coexistence between those two from 1918 till 1945!

But I'm not only interested in Jews and Poles, what about the Lemko attempts at independence? There's not much in English about that subject!

Ironside:

Why looking for crimes committed solely by Poles?

Because I live in Poland and would like to read more about what was going on in this country in the past? Stands to reason that I'd be more interested in Polish crimes towards each other than in, for instance, French history 1700-1850.

Ironside:

One has to have an agenda - come out of a closet delph !

Uh, I've read about Polish successes, quite a lot about Solidarity - now I'd like to know more about things like the ethnic cleansing of Ukrainians. Are you really so paranoid to think that someone interested in Polish history has an agenda?

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Jan 9, 11, 19:41 #13

delphiandomine:

Are you really so paranoid to think that someone interested in Polish history has an agenda?

You are not interested in Polish history but in the certain aspect of it! I would say that you actively looking for bits that are not even characteristic for polish history !
So, yes I think that you may be called - a guy with an agenda!

delphiandomine:

Because there are plenty of books that detail Russian and German crimes by their citizens, but very little in English detailing what Polish citizens were doing (to each other in many cases!).

Well, maybe because they did do it? Not in any magnitude, anyhow which would demand an attention !

delphiandomine:

But I'm not only interested in Jews and Poles, what about the Lemko attempts at independence?

They had an attempt to crate Lemko nationhood by few individuals, all it failed miserably and Lemko were incorporated into Ukrainian or Polish nation !
Why don't you ask Gross to write about it ?

delphiandomine:

Stands to reason that I'd be more interested in Polish crimes towards each other

Well, so far you have only expressed and interest in Polish crimes towards others, or even in alleged crimes. Stands to reason that I have serious doubts about your credibility!

delphiandomine:

there are plenty of books that detail Russian and German crimes by their citizens,

Well, don't you think that there is reason for that ?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Jan 10, 11, 22:18 #14
Ironside: Holocaust Meeting is it just me or has there never been a more akward looking bunch raising their right hands in unison?

POLENGGGsThreads: 5 Posts: 211 Joined: Apr 26, 10 ♂	Jan 18, 11, 13:42 #15
isthatu2: is it just me or has there never been a more akward looking bunch raising their right hands in unison? maybe not in unison but search 'Bettina Wulff' a german politician showing the Nazi-salute

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Feb 8, 11, 19:24 #16
isthatu2: is it just me or has there never been a more akward looking bunch raising their right hands in unison? I think it just you, they are chosen for their intellectual ability not marching coordination.

SeanBMThreads: 41 Posts: 8,727 Joined: Mar 10, 08 ♂	Feb 8, 11, 19:35 #17
Ironside: Exposing Gross - Poles and Jews after the Holocaust ! Why is this forum linked to this: Exposing & Fighting Against Global Anti-Semitism & Anti-Jewish Racism? Just curious how this works?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Feb 8, 11, 20:25 #18
So this is a story of Gross making money on lies, there is a market for it so why not. Why don’t he write a book about Rothschild family how they finance Hitler rise to power Why don’t he call them anti-semite and responsible for dead of millions of jews and others. I know why he has no integrity and does not care how he makes money all he cares is about his $

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Feb 8, 11, 20:44 #19

PennBoy:

...But that's Jews for ya always thinking only about themselves.

I see, so there were no German "butchers" in prisons and concentration camps? How about Ukrainian? Lithuanian? Maybe even Polish? Let's face it, there good people and bad people amongs us all, no matter what nationality, no matter what race, no matter what religion you might be, you'll find some bad apples in your own group too, so stop putting all the Jews in the same category, it's totally inacurate and totally wrong.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 8, 11, 21:48 #20
Marek11111: So this is a story of Gross making money on lies Sadly it is the story of yet again Gross writing a whole book about something which is blindingly obvious and already well known. And yet again certain Poles trying to deny that the blindingly obvious and well known happened and both show themselves to be anti-Semitic arseholes and give Gross lots free publicity.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Edited by: Moderator Feb 8, 11, 22:41 #21
Harry: anti-Semitic What are talking about ? According to you there is no Jews in Poland and never were any.

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Feb 8, 11, 23:31 #22

You are underestimating intelligence, shrewdness, perversity, and baseness of anticommunists and anti-Semites just like some of you:

The story of a triple agent in Gazeta Wyborcza which writes of the hero of a historical biography which has just won a prize which the paper sponsors: Józef Mützenmacher “provocateur, agent of secret services of three countries”. And it writes, following author Bogdan Gadomski: “he was a man of many faces and many names, a master of disguise.

The son of a poor Jewish ropemaker, after a staged “death” he changed identity, was baptised, became anti-communist but also anti-Semite.

Before WW2 he was an agent of the Polish political police, then an agent of the Nazi Gestapo. He was described as cold, without scruples and calculating. He had four wives, one of which was taken in by his fictitious death, and six children.

The one-hour radio programme: Największy agent polityczny II RP

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 8, 11, 23:47 #23
Ironside: According to you there is no Jews in Poland and never were any Could you perhaps quote and link to a post in which I say anything like that? Or shall we just conclude that you are simply lying as usual?

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Feb 9, 11, 00:28 #24
I hate the anti-Semitic arseholes the Rothschild family too Harry they are responsible for more Jewish dead more then all Germans and Poles combine.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 9, 11, 11:23 #25
Marek11111: I hate the anti-Semitic arseholes the Rothschild family too Harry they are responsible for more Jewish dead more then all Germans and Poles combine. Is that because they are shape-shifting illuminati lizards from the 25th dimension or simply because you think that throwing their name out with divert the discussion away from the crimes of your people and the lies of you & your people?

isthatu2Threads: 13 Posts: 5,225 Joined: Apr 3, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 11, 15:20 #26
Ironside: I think it just you, they are chosen for their intellectual ability not marching coordination. obviously unlike you their intellectual ability would show to them the irony of Jewish people sticking up their right arm in the air in an oath......

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Feb 9, 11, 16:25 #27

Harry:

the crimes of your people

What people? Stop spreading your diseases in this thread. Dividing people!
bloody racist !

isthatu2:

obviously unlike you their intellectual ability would show to them the irony of Jewish people sticking up their right arm in the air in an oath......

Not all of them are Jewish, and it never cease to amaze me, how people have their mind set on WWII. people were sticking their right arm in the air centuries before and most likely will do it centuries after, but no 20 odd year of fascism movement, plus many movies and bum - you have right pawn in the air and you are a fascist. sigh !

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 9, 11, 16:42 #28
Ironside: What people? You would not say that you are a Polish person? You are not counted as being among the Polish people? By the way, we are still waiting for you to provide a link to a post in which I say that there are "no Jews in Poland and never were any". The more you refuse to provide that link, the more obvious it is that you are nothing more than a liar.

Polonius3Threads: 1,005 Posts: 4,834 Joined: Apr 11, 08 ♂	Feb 9, 11, 16:57 #29
Not to mention Adam Michnik's brother, a desk-top murderer (who left the dirty work to others), now a fugitive from justice in Sweden. Gross doesn't write about such things because it doesn't sell amongst book-reading Jewry. Some of his earlier writings were quite balanced until he cauight on that Pole-bashing pays.

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Feb 9, 11, 17:00 #30

Harry:
because they are shape-shifting illuminati lizards from the 25th dimension

what are you talking about? are you ok? too much medications?

Harry:
throwing their name out with divert the discussion away from the crimes of your people and the lies of you & your people

I do not lie Harry but it has been proven by me and others on this forum that you do lie and by saying the Rothschild family is anti-Semitic I a bringing the fact that they are finance Hitler rise to power so without them the ww2 would never happen and millions of people would never die.

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