How far can Jews go to promote their ethnocentric myths?

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Jan 6, 12, 19:46 #151

polmed:

contrary to one poster who claims to make huge sacrifices of his life by the fact that he pays taxes , the obligation which every working person does here in Poland .

Perhaps you could tell us about the year you spent doing volunteer work?

And perhaps you could tell us how your post is in any way, shape or form connected to the subject of this thread and is not simply an off-topic personal attack?

Or do you mean that it is an ethnocentric myth that every working person here in Poland pays tax?

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,074 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Jan 6, 12, 19:53 #152
Members of the world's second oldest profession find working for the common good without pay risible.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 6, 12, 19:56 #153
teflcat: Members of the world's second oldest profession find working for the common good without pay risible. That's probably just an ethnocentric myth. BTW: "second"? You sure about that?

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Jan 6, 12, 20:04 #154

Harry:

Perhaps you could tell us about the year you spent doing volunteer work?

And perhaps you could tell us how your post is in any way, shape or form connected to the subject of this thread and is not simply an off-topic personal attack?

Yeah that's it Harry ask the poster an off-topic question and then complain about her previous post being off-topic....

polmed:

Hahahahahahahahahaha , wait a minute hahahahahahahahahahahaha , oh just a second , let me catch my breath , ..............hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah

It is quite funny indeed.
So, thus far this thread has shown that Jews will use their influence to deny tenure to scholars who do not ascribe to the myth that Poles are in some significant way culpable for the Holocaust, as the OP showed with regard to Norman Davies at Yale, and they will also use their influence to deny tenure to scholars who dispute the myth of Israeli victimhood as was the case with Norman Finklestein at Northwestern, and they will also use their influence to silence scholars who dare to speak openly about the power of the Israel lobby over American foriegn policy as was the case with the cancelled speech of Tony Judt at the Polish embasy in NYC.

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Jan 6, 12, 20:09 #155

Des Essientes:

Yeah that's it Harry ask the poster an off-topic question and then complain about her previous post being off-topic....

Interesting that you fail to quote the part of my post in which I suggest that her post may have been on topic, i.e. that it is an ethnocentric myth that every working person here in Poland pays tax. Such a statement would most certainly be an ethnocentric myth: there is not a single country in the world where every working person pays tax and to claim that one's own country is the exception to that obvious rule is more than slightly ethnocentric.

Des Essientes:

Jews will use their influence to deny tenure to scholars who do not ascribe to the myth that Poles are in some significant way culpable for the Holocaust

In the absence of any proof that Jews do that, we're just going to have to describe that statement as false, and very possibly an ethnocentric myth belonging to 'Polish'-Americans.

Des Essientes:

as was the case with the cancelled speech of Tony Judt at the Polish embasy in NYC.

Such a pity that you are unable to produce any evidence that that happened.

WroclawThreads: 77 Posts: 7,404 Joined: Apr 1, 06 ♂ [Moderator]	Jan 6, 12, 20:18 #156
Harry, Delphi, Des Essientes. 1. keep to the topic. 2. don't provoke an attack. (flame) i've had enough of it. the smallest, cutest remark from either one of you will result in suspension.

Des EssientesThreads: 11 Posts: 2,318 Joined: Feb 6, 10 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 6, 12, 21:09 #157
Here is particularly ridiculous example of how far some Jews will go to promote their ethno-centric myth that Israel is totally blameless and not a racist brutal state that merits a boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against it: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/01/captain-israel-is-back-and-better-than-e ver.html There you have it. Some Jews will call anyone advocating BDS evil.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Jan 6, 12, 21:40 #158
Des Essientes: a racist brutal state that merits a boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against it: How does that comment fit with: Wroclaw: Harry, Delphi, Des Essientes. 1. keep to the topic. 2. don't provoke an attack. (flame) ?

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Jan 6, 12, 21:49 #159
If the ranking of the most ridiculous nation took place they would win the first place without any doubt.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Jan 6, 12, 21:57 #160
polmed: If the ranking of the most ridiculous nation took place they would win the first place without any doubt. Or is that just another ethnocentric myth (a negative one this time) which is put around to discredit Jews? Just as this one is:

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Jan 6, 12, 22:03 #161

JonnyM:

How does that comment fit with:
Wroclaw: Harry, Delphi, Des Essientes.
1. keep to the topic.
2. don't provoke an attack. (flame)
?

Here is how: The comment is the de-mythologizing truth and thus on-topic, unless you can somehow prove that a state which denies refugees the right to return to their homes, because they are not Jewish, but allows Jews from anywhere in the world to move into these homes, is not racist, and unless you can also prove that a state that attacks refugee camps with F-16's and uses white phosphorus as an offensive weapon against civilians is not brutal.
This is a discussion forum and if you find a legitimate characterization of the Zionist entity in Palestine based upon its policies and actions "flaming" then that is your problem not ours. In fact it is you, JohnnyM, who has now come onto the thread with an off-topic post, but it appears that you are under no threat of immediate suspension.

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Edited by: JonnyM Jan 6, 12, 22:05 #162

Des Essientes:

a state which denies refugees the right to return to their homes,

The people you mention are doing very well indeed throughout the rest of the vast and bounteous Arab world. Their need to have that particular bit of land was to say the least weak. I'm not sure how this fits into this thread though. I really (and unlike you have lived in Poland and the Middle East) don't see any 'ethnocentric myth' at all.

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Jan 6, 12, 22:06 #163
But it says the truth not the myth ,Harry .Can you see the difference between reality and illusion .

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Jan 6, 12, 22:11 #164

JonnyM:

Their need to have that particular bit of land was to say the least weak.

This is a lie. Palestine is their homeland upon the sea and the need for people from a coast to live on that coast is strong not weak. Claiming that Palestinians should just be fine with being ethnically cleansed from their homeland is yet another ethnocentric Jewish myth. Thank you JohnnyM for providing yet another example of how far some people will go in the service of Jewish ethnocentrism.

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Jan 6, 12, 22:12 #165

JonnyM:

The people you mention are doing very well indeed throughout the rest of the vast and bounteous Arab world.

JonnyM:

Their need to have that particular bit of land was to say the least weak.

..and so are the Jews throughout the rest of the vast and bounteous world (btw doing way better than Palestinians stuck in permanent decades old refugee camps and in ghettos of Western Europe) which in turn makes the Jewish 'need' even weaker...

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Edited by: JonnyM Jan 6, 12, 22:14 #166

Des Essientes:

This is a lie. Palestine is their homeland upon the sea

How do you know? Been there, have you? Know any?

Des Essientes:

Thank you JohnnyM for providing yet another example of how far some people will go in the service of Jewish ethnocentrism.

Actually I live in the Arab world, and speak the language, like the people. And see plenty of folks, every day, from Palestine. who are quite happy living here and have no strong links with that particular bit of land which they fully accept is part of the Jewish State. Mazel tov!

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Edited by: Harry Jan 6, 12, 22:14 #167

polmed:

But it says the truth not the myth ,Harry .Can you see the difference between reality and illusion .

Really? The truth? You wouldn't say that Monster Mohel is made up of every mothballed malicious caricature of the hook-nosed devilish Jew dating back to the dark ages? Monster Mohel is made up of every mothballed malicious caricature of the hook-nosed devilish Jew dating back to the dark ages? You really think that it is not a myth (or to be more accurate, a racist lie) to say “Nothing excites Monster Mohel more than cutting into the penile flesh of an eight-day-old infant boy.” (which is what it says on the card which you describe as "saying the truth"). 'Excites'? Really? To you such a statement does not perpetuate ethnocentric myths?

polmedThreads: 2 Posts: 274 Joined: Sep 25, 11 ♀	Edited by: Moderator Jan 6, 12, 22:20 #168
Harry: does not perpetuate ethnocentric myths? Not to me , Harry . You are maybe too sensitive Harry . Dont take all cartoons too seriously . Poles have been mocked in cartoons for decades too and see we survived .

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Jan 6, 12, 22:23 #169
polmed: Poles have been mocked in cartoons for decades too and see we survived . That's just a plain inferiority complex. Generally Poles have not been mocked - quite the reverse if anything. But we are talking about ethnocentric myths - and any objective observer with experience of Poland sees a lot of special pleading and (particular to this thread) nonsense about Jewish Poles.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Moderator Jan 6, 12, 22:24 #170
polmed: Not to me , Harry . So to you the statement that a mohel never gets more excited than when he's cutting into the penile flesh of an eight-day-old infant boy is not a lie designed to perpetuate an ethnocentric myth but is instead the truth. I'd better not say what I think right now: I'd be banned for ever if I did.

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Jan 6, 12, 22:30 #171

JonnyM:

How do you know?

There is this thing called the historical record.

JonnyM:

Been there, have you?

Why do you ask? Were you there in 1947-1948 when the coast was ethnically cleansed of non-Jews?

JonnyM:

Know any?

Yes there are many Palestinians living in my area, and I have spoken with several and, while citing the gallant Polish example, I told them not to give up on their struggle to overcome the partition and usurpation of their homeland by foreigners.

JonnyM:

Actually I live in the Arab world.

So what? Why should we care where you live?

JonnyM:

And see plenty of people, every day, from Palestine. who are quite happy living here and have no strong links with that bit of land which they fully accept is part of the Jewish State.

If you have met Palestinians who are fine with surrender then you have met Palesinians who are either lying to you or who are not at all representative of the millions of Palestinians that continue to struggle against the racist Jewish ethnocracy that is the Zionist entity in Palestine.

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Jan 6, 12, 22:37 #172

Des Essientes:

There is this thing called the historical record.

And it backs up everything I say.

Des Essientes:

Why do you ask? Were you there in 1947-1948 when the coast was ethnically cleansed of non-Jews?
JonnyM: Know any?

Funny how so many still live there, isn't it?

Des Essientes:

and I have spoken with several and, while citing the gallant Polish example, I told them not to give up on their struggle to overcome the partition and usurpation of their homeland by foreigners.

Right. You've 'spoken with several'. Some of us live among them.

Des Essientes:

So what? Why should we care where you live?

Well, it is there.

Des Essientes:

fine with surrender

No. Fine with their lives.

Des Essientes:

racist Jewish ethnocracy that is the Zionist entity in Palestine.

You mean Israel?

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Edited by: Moderator Jan 6, 12, 22:49 #173

JonnyM:

And it backs up everything I say.

You may wish this but it is not true.

JonnyM:

Funny how so many still live there, isn't it?

Actually much of the coastal population of non-Jewish Palestinians and there descendants are now living in residences and refugee camps in the open air prison that is the Gaza Strip. 75% of the population there are refugees mostly from the coastal area to the North that was usurped by European Zionists. Most of the Non-Jewish Palestinians that were allowed to stay in the Zionist entity live in inland areas which were not as coveted by the ethnic cleansers.

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