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Former American President Adams in Poland.


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Who knew this:

http://culture.polishsite.us/articles/art457fr.htm

Starting by horse-drawn coach from his residence in Berlin, Adams' first stop in what is now Polish territory was at Gruenberg, today the city of Zielona Gora. Noting its cloth mills and vineyards, Adams and his party, which included his wife and two servants, continued on their carriage ride deeper to Silesia. Their first stop in the province was at Bunzlau. There, Adams observed the main industry of the town. Even today it is famous, for the Polish name of this place is Boleslawiec, home of the world renowned Boleslawiec pottery.
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...in Germany...you mean surely!

In the year 1800, John Quincy Adams, the U.S. Minister to Prussia, undertook a two month tour of Silesia, then part of Prussia. He detailed his experiences in a series of letters to his brother. It was a thoroughly German area in that time (Western Silesia) ...
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Bratwurst Boy:
..in Germany...you mean surely!


yes, i know. but the text reveals places now in Poland.
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Yes, and nothing beats time witness reports! :)
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Bratwurst Boy:
Yes, and nothing beats time witness reports! :)


there are a few interesting things in the text:

"He even heard a church sermon in Polish, attesting to the fact that a substantial minority of Poles lived in Prussian Breslau at the time."
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yes BB noting like germanization of Polish lands and resettlement of Poles during partitions so now you can claim that that was Germany. Maybe you can claim Smolensk too as German occupied it
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Wroclaw:

"He even heard a church sermon in Polish, attesting to the fact that a substantial minority of Poles lived in Prussian Breslau at the time."


Umm...why shouldn't they.
No expulsions at that time...
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Bratwurst Boy:
Umm...why shouldn't they.
No expulsions at that time...


Granted.

I only posted because i thought it was an interesting piece of history. i have no argument to accompany it
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Wroclaw:
i have no argument to accompany it


Sorry for my quibbling...it IS an interesting document of time!

*leaves thread*
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Bratwurst Boy:
...in Germany...you mean surely!

Tell me when he did the trip happen and when the German state was founded... Noh? come on! Share it with us! :)

Marek11111:
that was Germany.

Indeed. Max prussian at those times MAX Prussian!

Bratwurst Boy:
*leaves thread*

COME BACK HERE!! Gaawd!...
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Wroclaw:
Who knew this:


I didn't ! Maybe because U.S. didn't play in European liege for some quite time yet!
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Marek11111:
yes BB noting like germanization of Polish lands and resettlement of Poles during partitions so now you can claim that that was Germany. Maybe you can claim Smolensk too as German occupied it

two different things, Niederschlesien (lower Silesia) and Smolensk. People in Lower Silesia didn't have to be germanized, they were mostly Germans.
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look gouesswho if you do not know the subject please do not post on it.
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guesswho:
People in Lower Silesia didn't have to be germanized, they were mostly Germans.


And you know it for sure because you were one of the servants who accompanied Adams!
What were your duties ?
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Marek11111:
look gouesswho if you do not know the subject please do not post on it.


don't know what? It looks like I know more about it than you because you're ready to deny it.

Ironside:
And you know it for sure because


because it's a historical fact that this part of Poland before the 1945 was a part of Germany.

Are you guys seriously going to deny it?
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OK guesswho look into 1792 map
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Marek11111:
OK guesswho look into 1792 map


http://www.rollintl.com/roll/prussia.htm

here you got all kinds of maps of Prussia
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It's cool Adams didn't just follow the tour but ventured out and saw other places as well.
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Not being far from the borders of Poland, he criticizes the fact that "numerous (Prussian) officers have been placed there, who treat the Poles too much as a conquered people," rather than as citizens of Prussia.

No surprise there than(:
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guesswho:
because it's a historical fact that this part of Poland before the 1945 was a part of Germany.

For some time, but it doesn't make population of the area automatically German !
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"yet from time to time he complained about people whom he thought were surly and overcharged for their services. "
He really did go to silesia then ;)
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well guesshwo you do not know Poland history it is evident and yet you posted on this tread
as i said before jf you do not know do not post.
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Marek11111:
well guesshwo you do not know Poland history it is evident and yet you posted on this tread
as i said before jf you do not know do not post.


Polish history? What are you talking about? I provided a map of Prussia since Poland didn't even exist at that time. As far as Niederschlessien, it was German way longer than it was Polish.
How are you going to like it if BB is going to post something like that, "persident Obama visited Breslau, what is now Wroclaw in Poland?"
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guesswho:
What are you talking about?

It did exist. It had just been invaded. Polish-Lithuania has been around for quite some time.
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PlasticPole:
It did exist. It had just been invaded.


of course it did in your hearts, I understand it, but officially it didn't.
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President Adams? Never heard of him. Gerry Adams of Sinn Fein maybe. Nothing about his visit here either.
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Adams,one of the famous adams family,so to speak,one of the very few founding fathers of the US who wasnt a completly hypocritical cnut,a jolly good chap by all acounts :)
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isthatu2:
one of the very few founding fathers of the US who wasnt a completly hypocritical cnut,a jolly good chap by all acounts :)

pretty good TV series too, heres a memorable scene:
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Thanks,I missed this when it was on tv here a while ago,kicked myself too as soon after I got into reading a few good books about the revolutionary wars. (only trouble is now I cant watch The Patriot without peeing my pants at the innaccuracies...)
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isthatu2:
one of the very few founding fathers of the US who wasnt a completly hypocritical cnut

Huh? Nah, they were all cool dudes. B)

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