If France And England werent so timid, wimpy and scared of hitler...

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Aug 21, 10, 23:41 #31

few points of mine :

-Poland before the war was European power
-if given 5-8years Poland would be on par with Germany at last technologically and military !
-Hitler wanted to attack France first but was afraid that Poland will attack his back, so he proposed alliance to Poland and when she declined, made a deal with Soviets and then eliminated Poland.
-without Wall Street credits German economy wouldn't recovered in time to start the war as early as it did/

- Versatile treaty was to some extend vengeance of France over Germany for humiliation in 1871, nevertheless it wasn't only reason for war.
- Don't forget about Stalin who wanted regain territories belonging to former Russian empire.
- France was done for, but nobody knew it yet.

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Aug 21, 10, 23:50 #32

Sokrates:

Not a chance, Stalin was a coward in that for example its arguable whether he would attack Poland without german invasion

I think if the Poles had a well-equipped guerilla army with the sole intention that the army would blend in with civilians, Stalin wouldn't have wanted anything to do with it. I've always, always wondered why Poland tried to fight a conventional war - if she had learnt the lessons from the Irish War of Independence, she might very well have survived intact.

Stalin certainly wouldn't have wanted to put Russians into a strange environment in which they were being picked off by men, women and even children without them having a clue as to who might actually have a gun. As for the Germans - they might very well have retreated if they couldn't actually "win".

I place a lot of the blame on the Miracle at the Vistula, combined with Poland overreaching herself in post-WWI. A smaller country might very well have been easier to defend - and Poland certainly didn't help herself with making enemies out of many of her neighbours. And of course, it certainly didn't help being in the middle of Russia and Germany!

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Aug 22, 10, 00:33 #33

delphiandomine:

I think if the Poles had a well-equipped guerilla army with the sole intention that the army would blend in with civilians, Stalin wouldn't have wanted anything to do with it. I've always, always wondered why Poland tried to fight a conventional war - if she had learnt the lessons from the Irish War of Independence, she might very well have survived intact.

That tactics with ruthless opponent is no good, destroyed towns, murdered civilians, been there in 1863, regular army is must for victory.

I-S (sun on the blue sky in the middle of the night make a cat smile)

BabinichThreads: 1 Posts: 1,054 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Edited by: Babinich Aug 22, 10, 03:56 #34
Ironside: Don't forget about Stalin who wanted regain territories belonging to former Russian empire. If this statement is about Poland I'd challenge it by stating that Stalin wanted revenge; territory was icing on the cake. Sokrates: No Hitler => no blitz tactics Blitzkrieg tactics preceded Hitler. Try the symphonists: Fuller, B. Liddell Hart, Tukhachevsky & DeGaulle.

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