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Edited by: David_18  Apr 24, 10, 01:44    #181
TheOther:
You also failed to mention the Hanseatic League, which was one of the richest and most powerful organzations of its time. And these are only two examples. Your claim that "In 1300s-1600s Germany was a pyss poor craphole" is simply incorrect.


Well you also failed to mention that the Slavic House of Mecklenburg ran the show in western germany.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Mecklenburg

Same goes for the Slavic Piast dynasty that controlled Silesia and the eastern borders og Germany aka Holy roman empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Piasts

TheOther:
Poland was pretty much on the same level as the rest of Europe, you're right, but I didn't deny that. Let's not forget though that Poland was also lucky, because it didn't get ravaged by the bubonic plague as the rest of Europe. That was a major advantage.


Poland didn't have peace for more then 5 years in a row, do you also call that an advantage?

TheOther:
It's hard to believe that the Polish nobility behaved differently than their counterparts in Europe. Most of the people outside the cities were not peasants, but living in bondage - destined to be exploited and treated like slaves. AFAIK, that was also the case in Poland. Please correct me if I'm wrong here.


Wrong again!!

In the crown lands the nobility used leaseholds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leasehold_estate#History

One of the main reasons why Catherine II of Russia invaded Poland in 1772 was because of all the serfs who fled to Poland to be escape from the serfdom in Russia.
http://books.google.se/books?id=BXgNSFIEJ2QC&pg=PA281&lpg=PA281&dq=#v= onepage&q&f=false

TheOther:
why didn't Poland conquer colonies outside of Europe like the other bigshots did? Just curious.


They did threw their fiefdom Courland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonies_of_Poland

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Edited by: TheOther  Apr 24, 10, 01:58    #182
David, you seem to have missed the point. The whole discussion was about whether Germany was a 'craphole' between 1300 and 1600, as Sok said, or not.

David_18:
Poland didn't have peace for more then 5 years in a row, do you also call that an advantage?

Well, better a few wars here and there than 50% of your entire population wiped out within a short period of time.

David_18:
Wrong again

You saw that I wrote "Please correct me if I'm wrong", did you?
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Edited by: Sokrates  Apr 24, 10, 03:32    #183
TheOther:
Well, better a few wars here and there than 50% of your entire population wiped out within a short period of time

Germany lost 30% of its population during the 30 years war.
TheOther:
Who was leading the catholic church in Poland (other than the pope, I mean)? The king? Would he be able to convert the whole clergy to the orthodox church?

The local archbishop, however the real power rested with the king and the magnates, the church was powerfull but it could not and did not get uppity without the consent of the great houses or the crown and untill late XVI century none of them agreed to any meddling, religion was to be a free choice and that was it.
TheOther:
David, you seem to have missed the point. The whole discussion was about whether Germany was a 'craphole' between 1300 and 1600, as Sok said, or not.

I'll be more specific, life in Germany for an average German subject of any country in the HRE was massively less attractive then the life of an average peasant or citizen in Poland.

Polish subjects had easier access to jobs, were far better protected by law, were not exploited by nobles, paid smaller taxes and didnt know what hunger was, no one abused you because of your race or religion and there was no inquisition.

In addition it was much easier to establish a business since Poland from 1333 to approximately 1600 was experiencing an explosive economic boom, education was also much cheaper and easy to access since before 1550 there existed no class restrictions.

Why do you think so many Germans, Jews, Tartars, Ruthenians, Scots, Irish, Hungarians and Czechs settled in Poland? In comparison to medieval-medium reinessance Poland every other country looked crap from the perspective of a common man, and Germany was particulary unpleasant to live in unless you were a rich noble, probably the only worse place would be medieval England.
Matyjasz:
The problem here is that the subject matter is to vague to discuss it properly

Its not vague at all, we know quite a lot about those times, including the prices of shoes or loaves of bread in specific polish and german cities.
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 Apr 24, 10, 20:36    #184
Sokrates:
Its not vague at all, we know quite a lot about those times, including the prices of shoes or loaves of bread in specific polish and german cities.


Sorka, in the end it was my answer that was vague. :)

What I meant was that you can say that life of a pessant in the Commonwealth was relatively good or awful andboth statements may be right. It all depends on the time frame you are reffering to, as people in the 15th and 18th century had different living conditions.
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 Apr 24, 10, 20:40    #185
Sokrates:
Why do you think so many Germans, Jews, Tartars, Ruthenians, Scots, Irish, Hungarians and Czechs settled in Poland?


We know that in the case of Krakau and other towns that Germans were invited to settle here as the mongol invasions left these lands practically depopulated and devastated.
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 Apr 25, 10, 15:06    #186
Apr 25, 10, 17:34 - Thread attached on merging:
Key periods in Poland's history?

Maybe some fruitful people amongst the masses here could give me an indication for a powerpoint presentation im doing in college on Poland ... but what period of events do you regard as key historical periods in Poland as i have two slides to create with this information and briefly talk about when i deliver it.

I need to make sure that i bring it into present day if that helps you give me a few dates and events :)

Many thanks on your help
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 Apr 26, 10, 23:25    #187
The great mistakes of our history ?

Attacking the Panzer units with cavalry? :-)
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 Apr 26, 10, 23:33    #188
joepilsudski:
Attacking the Panzer units with cavalry?


It was actually a Panzer support company the cavalry attacked , there were no tanks present at the time...later some tanks showed up along with a cameraman , he filmed the bit we have all seen with the dead cavary horses among the tanks...made a great story for the Germans back home...but not quite true....
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Edited by: Sokrates  Apr 27, 10, 04:31    #189
Matyjasz:
What I meant was that you can say that life of a pessant in the Commonwealth was relatively good or awful andboth statements may be right. It all depends on the time frame you are reffering to, as people in the 15th and 18th century had different living conditions.

I've been quite specific in my statements, between 12th and mid 17th centuries Poland had the highest living standards in all of Europe, the situation started to visibly degrade around 1600s but was still better than in Germany, only after the Deluge in 1650s did it plunge drastically to a point Poland did not recover.
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 Jun 18, 10, 05:06    #190
let me guess nobody on this forum has ever heard of the polish 7tp tank or the fact that poland took out over 900 panzers and/or armoured cars during the invasion. what a surprise.
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 Jun 18, 10, 05:09    #191
jasinski:
jasinski

this thread is about mistakes.. start another about polish prowess, if you'd like.
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 Jun 18, 10, 09:20    #192
Not thinking about the future :)


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