The Greatest King of Poland?

He saved us from Turks & Tatars.

He saved the Austrians from them and look how they repaid Poland in spades. Polski your Islamophobia is un-Polish. Don't ape western Europeans and Zionists who are Islamopobic because they know the colonial crimes they have commited against Muslims have made Muslims dislike them. Poland is above this.

He saved the Austrians from them and look how they repaid Poland in spades.

Austria paid 500.000 Reichsthaler to Poland. This wasn't enough?

The Austrians could've kept their thalers and not participated in the partitions of Poland and that would have been much better. Poland's saving Austria only to have Austria rend Poland apart a few decades later will forever be an example of the most despicable ingratitude.

Ingratitude? Poland and Austria signed a treaty. Poland provided military support, Austria paid for it. They were even. It's as simple as that... at least outside of Poland. And Poland didn't save Austria, since the Polish military contingent was the smaller one in a coalition army.

It was Jan Sobieski's charge of Polish Winged Hussars which won the Battle of Vienna.

It was Jan Sobieski's charge of Polish Winged Hussars which won the Battle of Vienna.

This is the truth despite the fact that Poles were a minority among the troop count of the anti-Turkish forces. The Polish Hussars were the warriors that the Turks and Tartars feared and fled from, not the masses of Germans which were killed by the Sultan's forces in great numbers and not at all respected nor feared.

I love it when history becomes a fairy tale full of dragons, knights in shiny armour and evil villains. :D

You mean in a battle against 100.000 Turks 20.000 Poles won the battle?

I love it when history becomes a fairy tale full of dragons, knights in shiny armour and evil villains. :D

Tartars and Turks knew, and feared, and fled from.

Ingratitude? Poland and Austria signed a treaty. Poland provided military support, Austria paid for it. They were even. It's as simple as that... at least outside of Poland. And Poland didn't save Austria, since the Polish military contingent was the smaller one in a coalition army.

No they were not even an no the treaty did not oblige Poland to go in full force, Poland could for example send a 1000 infantry and thats it, the point is Poland saved the existence of Austria and Austria took part in destruction of Poland less than a hundred years later.

Read the history books there were no dragons, nor were there evil villians at the Battle of Vienna, but there was Sobieski and his winged hussars which the Tartars and Turks knew, and feared, and fled from.

No, against Turks approximately 8000 Poles won the battle since thats how much heavy cavalry was there, in the space of under half an hour in 3 charges they killed and wounded over 15.000 men, scattered the turkish centre, killed almost all HQ officers, destroyed the camp and artillery.

The German forces fought without effect for hours, the Poles took about 45 minutes to break the back of the army, Poles not only did most of the fighting but all of the winning.

The treaty defined that Poland and the HRE should support each other with 60.000 (HRE) and 40.000 (Poland) troups in case the Turks would attack Krakow or Vienna. Both parties couldn't provide enough troops since the time was too short, and the HRE fought against France, which attacked the HRE at the same time.
The treaty moreover defined that Austria had to pay 500.000 Reichthaler to Poland and take over all Polish debts from the war against Sweden... and that was 6 month before the battle of Vienna.

Oh, did they count the Turks killed by Poles separately? You know, since the combined cavalry attacked the Turks and not the Poles alone. And the HRE provided 20.000 troops of cavalry.

The German troops you mention were mostly light infantry, the heavy cavalry of 20.000 troops you mentioned comprised of both Polish and troops of the HRE, and the Turks collapsed after both flanks attacked.

I love it when history becomes a fairy tale full of dragons, knights in shiny armour and evil villains. :D

It's similiar to the bragging about the Battle of Britain...yes Poland played an important part innit but they wouldn't had stand a chance if there weren't the Brits , and the Brits wouldn't had stand a chance if they weren't supported by a huge plethora of Allies.

The same with the Battle of Vienna, it was a war mainly between the Habsburgs and the Ottomans.

Without the alliance with the Germans and others and not to forget the long, brave resistance of the Viennese people, holding out in the brutal siege, where would the proud polish troops be.

Bear that in mind!

I love it when history becomes a fairy tale full of dragons, knights in shiny armour and evil villains. :D

Austria paid 500.000 Reichsthaler to Poland. This wasn't enough?
And he saved the Austrians? He provided the smaller force in a coalition army raised by the pope, where the king of Poland was the commander since he was the highest ranking participant.

Kielbasa is spelt with a lowercase k, not an uppercase one. Likewise with the word vodka.

Seems to be yet more proof that you aren't Polish.

You mean in a battle against 100.000 Turks 20.000 Poles won the battle?
But yes, in Vienna you can find a monument to the Ukrainian cossacks, even in Cyrillic, to remember the "Polish" troops. :D

Would not have been a battle in Britain if there were no brits dumbass.

No its not, the Habsburgs were beaten, their capital besieged more than half their army destroyed.

That's what I meant, you idiot!

The brutal truth of the time was that outside of Poland no one really knew how to fight Turks, they had a string of victories and a powerfull army with an exotic and effective way of doing things, the only equally effective force in Europe were the Poles and it showed on the fields before Vienna.

The Polish-Ottoman War (1620–21) or First Polish-Ottoman War was a conflict between the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire over the control of Moldavia.

It ended with the Commonwealth withdrawing its claims on Moldavia.[1]

Polish–Ottoman War (1672–76) or Second Polish–Ottoman War was a war between the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the Ottoman Empire, as part of the Great Turkish War.

It ended in 1676 with the Treaty of Żurawno and the Commonwealth ceding control of most of its Ukraine territories to the Empire.

Nah,face it BB, he got you there :)

This victory marked the beginning of the Habsburg hegemony in central Europe and the fall of the Ottoman Empire.

You don't get to rule till down to the Balkans in the wake of this battle if you are destroyed...

When Poles fighted the Ottomans alone they weren't as successful....allies were needed!
There is no shame in admitting that! Germans and Austrians needed allies too....

Given that Poles were the only country to stop the Ottomans alone yes they were succesfull, see Battle of Khotyn

The Polish-Ukrainian-Lithuanian army numbered 30,000 (18,000 cavalry, 12,000 infantry) and further 25,000–30,000 Ukrainian Cossack army, led by hetman Petro Konashevych-Sahaidachny (mostly infantry).

The army, following a common Commonwealth defense when facing large Ottoman armies, employed deep defences by building separate field works in front of the camp's defences. These field works were designed to allow the use of cavalry counter attacks, especially crucial for the Commonwealth relying on its elite Polish Hussars and Ukrainian Cossacks

Hetmans Zółkiewski and Koniecpolski led the army to Ţuţora (Cecora in Polish sources), a commune in Iaşi county, Romania) to fight the Horde of Khan Temir (Kantymir). The army numbered over 10,000 (2,000 infantry and almost no Cossaks cavalry)

During another large assault on the 6 October, most of the magnates and nobles started to flee north, leaving infantry and camp. Thus, they sealed the fate of the whole expedition: most of the Polish troops got killed or were captured. In the ensuing battle, Żólkiewski was killed and Koniecpolski and many others (Samuel Korecki, Mikolaj Struś, Mikołaj Potocki, Jan Żółkiewski, Łukasz Żołkiewski), Stanisław "Rewera" Potocki and Bohdan Khmelnytsky were taken captive. Żółkiewski's head was mounted on a pike and sent to the sultan; duke Korecki, having often meddled in Moldavian territories, was executed in the Istanbul prison.

W 1621r. w obliczu groźby zagrożenia wojennego ze strony Turcji zawarła sojusz z Kozakami, chcąc pozyskać wśród nich około 20 tys. żołnierzy. Konaszewicz uzyskał nadany przez Zygmunta III tytuł hetmana i przyprowadził do obozu wojsk koronnych pod Chocim 40 tys. Kozaków. Na ich chęć do walki z Turkami wpłynął list pasterski patriarchy jerozolimskiego Teofanesa, w którym wzywał on Kozaków do służby pod polskimi sztandarami.

Wojsk polskich było 25- 26 tys.

Główną rolę w obronie Chocimia odegrała piechota polsko- litewska , wsparta w taborze przez piechotę zaporoską. Na barki Kozaków spadł też główny ciężar walki. Odparli oni pięć z dziesięciu szturmów tureckich. Dokonali też wielu nocnych wycieczek, zadając Turkom ciężkie straty. Gdy choroba utrudniała Chodkiewiczowi dowodzenie i chciał się on wycofać, Konaszewicz- Sahajdaczny gorąco namawiał go do trwania na pozycjach. W wyniku jego interwencji skrócono tylko linię obrony. Gdy Chodkiewicz zmarł, Kozacy dokonali nocą kolejnego wypadu na Turków, by ci nie liczyli, że śmierć naczelnego wodza załamie obrońców.

W czasie pertraktacji pokojowych z Turkami posłowie polscy nie zgodzili się na porzucenie Kozaków i uzyskanie za ich głowy korzystniejszych warunków pokoju. Określili oni Kozaków jako "towarzyszy naszych". Szczegóły zawartego układu pokojowego nie były jednak dla Kozaków korzystne. Rzeczpospolita zobowiązała się do powstrzymania Kozaków od wypraw morskich przeciwko Turcji, ta zaś Tatarów od najazdów na Kresy. Kozacy rozczarowani opuścili obóz, nie czekając na podziękowania i odprawienie triumfu. Było to ostatnie w tej skali wspólne wystąpienie zbrojne wojsk polskich i kozackich. Dało ono niewątpliwie Kozakom poczucie siły i własnych możliwości. W ich propozycjach kierowanych do Zygmunta III była już wyraźna zapowiedź, ze będą dążyć do utworzenia własnego państwa. Domagali się m.in. równouprawnienia prawosławia, zgody na mieszkanie we włościach szlacheckich i królewskich, bez konieczności wypełniania powinności poddańczych. Kozacy domagali się również zgody na najmowanie się do służby w oddziałach innych monarchów i wreszcie opuszczenie województwa kijowskiego przez wojska koronne. Propozycji tych ówczesna Rzeczpospolita nie chciała zaakceptować, co źle rokowało polsko- ukraińskie braterstwo broni.

Given that Poles were the only country to stop the Ottomans alone