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HusariawiktoriaThreads: 1
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The confederation of Bar happened today in 1791. Short lived and bittersweet, it was none the less a huge leap for European democracy.
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Husariawiktoria:
he confederation of Bar happened today in 1791.

Huh ?
MareGaeaThreads: 45
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I thought it was 1768?

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
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no, it was 1791.
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Oh.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bar_Confederation

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M-G (to the how manieth partition did this lead?)
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Husariawiktoria:
The confederation of Bar happened today in 1791.


MareGaea:
I thought it was 1768?


A Dutch Jew knowing the history of Poland better than a Plastic Pole.

Hilarious :-)
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oh yes.... i thought about The Constitution of May 3, 1791
you have right about confederation of Bar
i'm sorry for mistake
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Torq:
A Dutch Jew knowing the history of Poland better than a Plastic Pole.

Hilarious :-)


Half Jewish, eh? :) Well, I did pay attention during the lectures on Eastern European history between 1500 and 1900. But besides all that - TS's claim that this would be the first Democratic leap forward makes it impssbl that it could've taken place in 1791; at that point in time there had been already three major democratic leaps: The US constitution of 1776, the Dutch Palace Revolution of 1787 and it's copy, the French Revolutionairy act of 1789.

>^..^<

M-G (tiens)
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MareGaea:
the Dutch Palace Revolution of 1787 and it's copy, the French Revolutionairy act of 1789.


These are not constitutions.

Polish constitution was the first modern constitution in Europe and second in the World
(after the US constitution of 1787, not 1776).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Constitution

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_May_3,_1791

Wikipedia:

The Constitution of May 3, 1791 (Polish: Konstytucja Trzeciego Maja; Lithuanian: Gegu¾ės trečiosios konstitucija) is generally regarded as Europe's first and the world's second modern codified national constitution, following the 1788 ratification of the United States Constitution
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na zdrowie to that. :)
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I knew that the Polish constitution of 1791 was the first modern in Europe. Never denied that - was more intended at TS's mixup of facts.

plk123:
na zdrowie to that.


You just take every opportunity to have a drink, don't ya?

:))

>^..^<

M-G (cheers anyway)
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Husariawiktoria:
The confederation of Bar happened today in 1791. Short lived and bittersweet, it was none the less a huge leap for European democracy.


My contribution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqirek3ppQo&feature=related
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MareGaea:

You just take every opportunity to have a drink, don't ya?

why not.. :)
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Husariawiktoria:
The confederation of Bar happened today in 1791. Short lived and bittersweet, it was none the less a huge leap for European democracy.


A good number of Wroclaw youth and myself marked the occasion in usual style by attending a gig on the Wyspa Slodowa. All to the tunes of KNZ, Coma, Myslovitz etc.


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