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 Aug 29, 11, 18:22    #61
Poland agreed to give Zaolzie(were majority was Polish)so Czechoslovakia would help in oncoming war by for example letting the trains with bullets and guns through its territory, of course it didnt happen- Poalnd acted accordingly

Do you have any links to anything which in any way supports any of that? Or did you just pluck it from the air?

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 Aug 29, 11, 19:02    #62
Perhaps negotiating a settlement would have worked? Although Poland would then have had to live up to the commitments it made in the settlement agreements and experience shows that Poland was pretty terrible at doing that between 1918 and 1939.


see how litlle or nothing You know? Pi³sudski send a note to Masaryk asking for negotiations, the response on Czech side was- occupation of Spis and Orawa, than attack on ¦l±sk Cieszyński, which was a breach of 5 November agreement
2 February agreement - again breach on Czechoslovakian side( for example attack between 21-24 February)
also add to this killing of Polish POW

Do you have any links to anything which in any way supports any of that? Or did you just pluck it from the air?

this is pretty common knowledge, why would Poland agree on not taking the plabiscite if it wasnt for this???,doesnt make any sense. Read a book on the topic, if You speak Polish I can give You few titles
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 Aug 29, 11, 19:17    #63
Poles too, unfortunately. If Poland had approached 1919 onwards as a reason to create as many allies as possible in this part of the world, including Czechoslovakia - then Germany would've had quite a large group of countries on all sides that were hostile to any revival of German power.

Poland had a treaty with Romania and very good agreements with Hungary. Czechoslovakia declined when Poland approached her about treaty because she had a good (they thought) contacts with Russia and they expected that sooner or later Poland will be devoured by Soviets. They Didn't foresee they own doom by Germany.
Lithuania was hostile because they are idiots and their help would be insignificant at best.
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 Aug 29, 11, 19:17    #64
Pi³sudski send a note to Masaryk asking for negotiations

Why negotiate what had already been agreed. And Pilsudski's word counted for very little (see for example the sham mutiny which he ordered).

the response on Czech side was- occupation of Spis and Orawa, than attack on ¦l±sk Cieszyński,

No, it was to demand that Poland ceased the election planning.

which was a breach of 5 November agreement

The one which Poland had already breached on 6 November.
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Edited by: pawian  Aug 29, 11, 20:58    #65
=Sokrates]but Poles adamantly demanded Zaolzie or no talks would be engaged, the re-capturing of Zaolzie at the time Hitler annexed Czech part of Czechoslovakia while horribly timed was a result of a two decades old grudge, it was unreasonable of Czechs to expect no retaliation

Yes, it is true.
What a pity Polish leaders at the time were so intent on retaliation and so blind! Together with Czechs we could create a strong defence against Germans. The Czech army had great equipment (which was later on successfully exploited by Germans, also during the invasion of Poland) - combined with Polish excellent infantry and cavalry, allied Poles and Czechs would be a hard nut to crack for Hitler.
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 Aug 29, 11, 21:14    #66
Why negotiate what had already been agreed. And Pilsudski's word counted for very little (see for example the sham mutiny which he ordered).

agreement You are talking about was signed by local authorities, was temporary and it was agreed that final arrangements would be made by the countires goverments. As for Pi³sudski I dont really know what to tell You, are You saying that Czechoslovakia should have grabed any land thay felt like because they didnt like cooperating with legitimate Polish goverment?and dont even get me started about Wilno..

No, it was to demand that Poland ceased the election planning.

so in Your opinion it is allright to invade a country and not to seek agreements?werent You saying sth exact opposite just few post ago?

The one which Poland had already breached on 6 November.

how?
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 Aug 29, 11, 21:15    #67
What a pity Polish leaders at the time were so intent on retaliation and so blind!

Wrong. Do you think Czechs made ANY step towards reconciliation with Poland? The leadership of Czechoslovakia put all their trust in France, UK and Stalin's Russia and wasn't interested in alliance with Poland.
That Poland had very good relations with Hungary - a country that had justifiable territorial claims towards Czechoslovakia - didn't help either, but the fact remains that Czechoslovakian politcians are more to blame for the lack of Polish - Czechoslovakian alliance than Polish politicians.
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 Aug 29, 11, 21:29    #68
That Poland had very good relations with Hungary - a country that had justifiable territorial claims towards Czechoslovakia - didn't help either, but the fact remains that Czechoslovakian politcians are more to blame for the lack of Polish - Czechoslovakian alliance than Polish politicians.


Take off the rose-tinted glasses for a sec - do you honestly think that Poland, a country which not only screwed over Lithuania but also Ukraine, would really have been so interested in any alliance with the Czechs when there was territory to be gained?

Poland's worst hour was certainly the II RP - gone was the consensual decision taking, and it was replaced with a nasty strain of nationalism combined with a false sense of confidence.

Together with Czechs we could create a strong defence against Germans. The Czech army had great equipment (which was later on successfully exploited by Germans, also during the invasion of Poland) - combined with Polish excellent infantry and cavalry, allied Poles and Czechs would be a hard nut to crack for Hitler.


A joint alliance, combined with some other countries would've been pretty formidable - I can't imagine them ever letting Hitler rise. It's not inconceivable that such an alliance would have "dealt with" Hitler and replaced him with someone more agreeable to European interests.
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Edited by: Sokrates  Aug 29, 11, 21:32    #69
What a pity Polish leaders at the time were so intent on retaliation and so blind!

Thats not so straightforward Pawian, Czechoslovakia actively worked with USSR and sheltered all ukrainian terrorists who asked for asylum, during the interbellum period Czechs did everything humanely possible to p*ss off Poland.

Today we like to discuss the possibility but the fact is Czechoslovakia and Poland back then where nothing short of enemies.
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Edited by: dr_rabbit  Aug 29, 11, 22:16    #70
The way you painted them yes, it does make you anti-Polish.

All you do is prove my point that they are interesting points in History and worth discussing. I didn't paint anything anyway, but, you know, I'd love to have an endless pissing contest with you on the internet.

Tell me what’s the difference between doing Warsaw Pacts’ bidding and NATOs’

You raise an interesting point. I guess because Polish forces came directly by land from Poland, it gave a stronger impression of Polish involvement. And then, of course, is the commonly used name of the alliance, which also suggests a much stronger Polish involvement. I think the interesting things are how these actions are perceived more than anyone else. However you are right that the Polish involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq is also controversial: however, impartial historians will place much less emphasis on Poland's involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan than they will on the 20th century military history of Central Europe.
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 Aug 30, 11, 00:45    #71
All you do is prove my point that they are interesting points in History and worth discussing. I didn't paint anything anyway, but, you know, I'd love to have an endless pissing contest with you on the internet.

You made no point apart from being anti-Polish and trolling.
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 Aug 30, 11, 02:46    #72
No, the the troll was the OP who hasn't been here since his first post. Why you all have risen to his bait is beyond me.
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 Aug 30, 11, 03:01    #73
Sokrates
You made no point apart from being anti-Polish and trolling.

You are right Sokrates, you are the master of the universe. Just tell, oh great one, where I need to go for my reeducation training.
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 Aug 30, 11, 03:05    #74
You are right Sokrates, you are the master of the universe. Just tell, oh great one, where I need to go for my reeducation training.


You need to talk to the leader of "Liga Polskich Rodzin", also known as "League of Polish Families" - who will tell you all about imaginary anti-Polish enemies.

(just so you know, if anyone accuses you of being anti-Polish, the chances are that they're far right wing morons - and on this forum, almost certainly of North American birth)


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