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Has Polish king Sobieski become an idol of right wing extremists?

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BartekMThreads: 1 Posts: 10 Joined: Jul 23, 11 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 17:36 #1
The article says that the Norwegian murderer admired him: http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/Wiadomosci/1,80277,10004487,Sklep_z_chemik aliami__Jan_III_Sobieski__Samooobrona_.html In his manifesto the Norwegian mentioned events from Polish history 47 times. He admires Polish king Jan III Sobieski, whose victory over Muslims in Wienna in 1683 was a military threat to them for the last time in history.

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Jul 25, 11, 17:51 #2

It is Church propagands again, to attract people to Churchs more, just as rightiests like..

Sobieski didn't fight against Muslims at Wienna war during the end of 1600s. He fought against Turks. Ottomans till 1600s had also made many wars against Muslims, Arab lands.. Starting 1600s, it was Ottoman's recession, that took 100 years. It was during their weak times of Ottomans that they were defeated in Vienna and in other wars.

So, while Ottomans done more wars with muslims/Arabs than Europeans, saying Europeans fought against Muslims show an illiteracy.

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Edited by: Crow Jul 25, 11, 18:06 #3

Sobieski was one of greatest Sarmats Draconists, pride of our kind

His majesty Jan Sobieski accepted Serbian call and served as Grand Master of the Dragon Order- taking it under protection of His crown. Europe and Slavic world owe great debt to the immortal King Sobieski

Definitely, Sobieski is one of the reasons why Serbs respect and love Poles

Sobieski didn't fight against Muslims at Wienna war during the end of 1600s.

i would rather say that Sobieski defended Slavic world and Europe from the Muslim invasion. Penetration of Islam onto Slavic Balkan (particularly onto the lands of Racowie/Serbians) directly attacked interests of Poland.

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Edited by: Torq Jul 25, 11, 18:12 #4

He fought against Turks.

Yes - the same Turks who were always an honourable enemy (if they signed a cease fire, they kept to it)
and who never acknowledged the partitions of Poland ("Has the envoy from Lechistan arrived yet?" - we
remember that), and helped many Poles in hard times (Adampol/Polonezkoy).

We should have allied ourselves to Ottomans, finish off Austria and then take out Russia together.
There would be no partitions of Poland then, and no 123 years of slavery. If good king Sobieski knew
how Austrians would repay Poland, he wouldn't turn husaria against them.

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Jul 25, 11, 19:05 #5

If Sobieski allied itself with Turks modern day Poland wouldn't exist, at least not as Slavic.

As if Slavs/Serbs lost their identity. Crow, you Serbs don't speak even a single Turkic word. Ask Greeks and Arabs too, they don't, either.

I am not fan of monarchy at all, but, give credit to Ottomans who hadn't assimilated any folks, but, themselves.. Turkey today is the most multicultural country in the world, contrary to known.

JonnyMThreads: 16 Posts: 4,487 Joined: Mar 9, 11 ♂	Edited by: JonnyM Jul 25, 11, 19:14 #6
Has Polish king Sobieski become an idol of right wing extremists? No. He has become a packet of cigarettes...

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Jul 25, 11, 22:29 #7

Don't get to excited.Turks acted this way not because they loved Poles so much but to **** off their enemy Tsarist Russia.

CrowThreads: 367 Posts: 7,316 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Edited by: Crow Jul 25, 11, 22:56 #8
I am not fan of monarchy at all, but, give credit to Ottomans who hadn't assimilated any folks, but, themselves.. Turkey today is the most multicultural country in the world, contrary to known. of course. When Turks invaded Balkan they were on the level of wild hordes. Their conquest on Balkan and Europe in general civilized them a little bit.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:01 #9
Let's focus on the vodka he inspired and not right wing extremists. We admire people for weird and wonderful reasons. Best just look at what he did for Poland and leave it at that.

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Jul 25, 11, 23:06 #10

He has become a packet of cigarettes...

And a bottle of vodka ...

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:09 #11
Please please please, don't let Bruce Willis go into an acting role, playing Sobieski. Mel Gibson as the lead actor in Braveheart for us Celts was bad enough. Don't let the Slavs slide into that trap. Willis, I hope you enjoyed your advertising as that's as far is it will go.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,441 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:26 #12
Please please please, don't let Bruce Willis go into an acting role, playing Sobieski. Is there an upcoming film? Mel Gibson as the lead actor in Braveheart for us Celts was bad enough. Isn't Mel Gibson of Irish descent, Celtic? so what's the problem because he's a Yank? Loved him in the Bounty... 4:20

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:30 #13
Upcoming film? Thankfully not! Mel Gibson is Australian with American connections, Penn. Sobieski would have to be played by a worthy candidate.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,441 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:35 #14
Mel Gibson is Australian with American connections, Penn. Gibson was born in Peekskill, New York Gibson holds dual Irish and American citizenship http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel_Gibson

NomadatNetThreads: 6 Posts: 1,492 Joined: Mar 28, 09 ♂	Jul 25, 11, 23:37 #15
When Turks invaded Balkan they were on the level of wild hordes. Their conquest on Balkan and Europe in general civilized them a little bit. Are you talking about the past, 1500 years ago, when Atilla Hun invaded till Rome Empire? Crow, come to this century.