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Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 00:37 #421
yehudi: Easy_Terran: But you Jews totally hijacked the history of WWII. WWII is associated with the Holokaust only. Period. Yehudi: It shouldn't be. That's an impression I'm trying to correct here. Kudos to you for that! e_t

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 10:04 #422
kith: It was a very moving group of photographs about the thousands upons thousands of dead US service men of WWII. and don't forget WW1, where the intervention of US led to a speedier defeat of the axis powers and the re-establishment of a Polish state.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: McCoy Jan 13, 10, 10:25 #423
king polkakamon: Polish soldiers of Wehrmacht my cousin is writing a book about Polish soldiers from 1st Polish Armoured Division who were Wermacht soldiers before.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 13, 10, 10:38 #424

Trevek:

and don't forget WW1, where the intervention of US led to a speedier defeat of the axis powers and the re-establishment of a Polish state.

Well, historians say that without the meddling of the US Germany would had won the great war...hence no WWII, no Nazis, no Holocaust, no Hitler....so yes, let's not forget the US in this!
(but at least Poland was re-established and that's the main thing, isn't it!)

McCoy:

my cousin is writing a book about Polish soldiers from 1st Polish Armoured Division who were Wermacht soldiers before.

Should be interesting as there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht....

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Edited by: Trevek Jan 13, 10, 10:56 #425
Bratwurst Boy: Well, historians say that without the meddling of the US Germany would had won the great war... Some say that it was also possible that they could have lost without US but the US entry sped the process up (still took about 9 months) Bratwurst Boy: (but at least Poland was re-established and that's the main thing, isn't it!) Yep, so Germans could have cheap holidays.

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: McCoy Jan 13, 10, 11:08 #426
Bratwurst Boy: Should be interesting as there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht.... learn polish and ill send you some interviews with the veterans. one of em was in Rommels Panzer Division. http://www.wehrmacht-polacy.pl/ http://www.historycy.org/index.php?s=8b9bf18795044405d655bbff2169309c& showtopic=1016&st=0

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 13, 10, 11:14 #427

McCoy:

learn polish and ill send you some interviews with the veterans. one of em was in Rommels Panzer Division.

Doesn't matter...there were no Poles in the Wehrmacht as the Wehrmacht was the official forces of Germany.
They were german nationals, or Volksdeutsche....get that into your thick head!

Just a question: In another thread you seem to be proud that Poles never forgot their "polishness" even during the partitions living officially as Prussians, Russians or Austrians.
Do you really believe it was different with the millions of Germans who found themselves now in new-Poland???

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Edited by: McCoy Jan 13, 10, 11:21 #428
just dont try to indroduce me to your gerrie vision on history. its worthless crap Do you really believe it was different with the millions of Germans who found themselves now in new-Poland??? there are 153 000 people with polish citizenship that consider themself german ( for me they can all fcuk off to kraut reich as their hommies did before ).

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 13, 10, 11:22 #429
McCoy: just dont try to indroduce me to your gerrie vision on history. its worthless crap The unconvenient truth hurts, ne? ;) (I really hope your cousin is more brainy or he will be the reason for some more polish jokes...)

McCoyThreads: 46 Posts: 1,755 Joined: Jul 3, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 11:26 #430
Bratwurst Boy: The unconvenient truth hurts, ne? youre the person to tell. does it? (:

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 11:30 #431
McCoy: ( for me they can all fcuk off to kraut reich as their hommies did before ). Nah...they will all stay just to bother you!

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Jan 13, 10, 11:37 #432

Ah.....my two favorite posters on Polish Forums. :-)

Sometimes, McCoy....people like to stay where they always lived. And if they consider themselves German, it is no crime. Others liked to stay where they lived in Poland and although German by ethnicity, they Polonized their names. Things like this will always happen when a place was formerly multinational. And I am not just talking about from when Hitler brought in the Reich Deutsche. People who lived for 500 hundred years within Poland, and were citizens of Poland, but ethnically German.

I know because that was my family. Half ethnic Germans that I have traced back to 1700's in Poland. And the others ethnic Poles living in Prussia. Both peoples treated each other miserably at different times. All humans have done bad things to other humans. I have cried tears about what my Poles experience under the hands of Prussianization. I have cried tears over what my ethnic Germans experienced getting caught between Hitler and Poland.

I take people individually rather than name some a derogatory name. And the same with countries today that have a diverse background of peoples. Yes, they are all somewhat proud of their own roots, but it is no crime for an ethnic German to love Poland, or living there, and still feel German.

It is easier for me to understand because in America, we are like Poland used to be. Multinational. We are all Americans, but proud of our Polishness, or Italianness or Germanness.

When it comes to opinions, there is the purely Polish opinion, the purely German opinion and the objective truth. It's nice to attempt to see the objective truth.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 13, 10, 11:47 #433
McCoy: there are 153 000 people with polish citizenship that consider themself german ha haa, my wife has recently told me that she has German grandparents from both sides of her parents which makes her 1/8 German or something, so basically my baby daughter is part kraut, i hope she only gets the good stuff.

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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Jan 13, 10, 11:51 #434

Wroclaw Boy:

ha haa, my wife has recently told me that she has German grandparents from both sides of her parents which makes her 1/8 German or something, so basically my baby daughter is part kraut, i hope she only gets the good stuff.

Heh:) Your baby is half Kraut...it will be smart, prefers to drive fast and get a moustache soon (better if it's a boy in that case)! :)

PS: If your wife's grandparents and parents were full Krauts that makes her a full Kraut too, not only 1/8 part..

Softsong:

It's nice to attempt to see the objective truth.

But not as much fun....

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 13, 10, 11:54 #435
Bratwurst Boy: Your baby is half Kraut I wouldnt say 1/2 more like 1/16, im 1/4 Irish so work all that out.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 11:55 #436
Wroclaw Boy: I wouldnt say 1/2 more like 1/16, im 1/4 Irish so work all that out. Well, if your wife is full Kraut than your daughter is at least half Kraut! :)

SoftsongThreads: 6 Posts: 587 Joined: Sep 2, 07 ♀	Edited by: Softsong Jan 13, 10, 11:58 #437
She's what we call in America, Heinz 57 after the famous sauce with 57 ingredients. :-) I think Wroclaw Boy is saying that his wife has one grandparent on each side of the family that is German, so his wife is 1/8 German and the baby 1/16 German, and 1/8 Irish. It gets complicated....so Heinz 57.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 12:00 #438
Softsong: I think Wroclaw Boy is saying that she has one grandparent on each side of the family that is German, Ach so :(

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 56 Posts: 5,264 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Jan 13, 10, 12:02 #439
Bratwurst Boy: Well, if your wife is full Kraut than your daughter is at least half Kraut! :) I never said she was 1/2 i said her garndparents i.e one grandparent from both sides of her parents.my daughter x1, parents (wife and I) x2, her parents x4 , then granparents x 8, so two of which from the Polish side were full German. i.e one german married a Pole x2.

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Jan 13, 10, 13:39 #440

1jola:

in Poland we know very well that Jews were murdered en masse.

But Poles in the US and UK don't seem to realize that, so they say things like...

kith:

Lots of people were slaughtered. Why classify and then imply one was worse than another?

The fact that people discuss whether Poles saved or didn't save Jews from the Nazis indicates that Poles were in a different situation and were in a position to save Jews (at the risk of death) because they weren't targeted for extinction, yet.

If the Nazi plan to exterminate the Polish speaking people actually reached the stage of being implemented, then there would be no difference. But the Germans were defeated before that could happen, thank G-d.

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 13:59 #441
yehudi: thank G-d. Yeah...he surely had the most to do with it....I wonder where he was all the time before???

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 816 Joined: Jul 27, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 14:27 #442
The theological questions that come out of the holocaust have been discussed by smarter people than you or me, people who were there and people who weren't. I would stay away from that topic because it's a dead end.

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Jan 13, 10, 14:35 #443

yehudi:

But Poles in the US and UK don't seem to realize that, so they say things like...kith:
Lots of people were slaughtered. Why classify and then imply one was worse than another?
The fact that people discuss whether Poles saved or didn't save Jews from the Nazis indicates that Poles were in a different situation and were in a position to save Jews (at the risk of death) because they weren't targeted for extinction, yet.

If the Nazi plan to exterminate the Polish speaking people actually reached the stage of being implemented, then there would be no difference. But the Germans were defeated before that could happen, thank G-d.

Again, I just feel so upset reading this. Is one life more valuable than another?

Polish intellectuals were targeted for extinction. There were Jews who survived.

You're distraught that Jews were tortured and murdered. I'm saying that I'm distraught that Jews were brutally tortured and I'm distraught that Poles were murdered. The Nazi plan to exterminate the Polish speaking people was in the works, just wasn't completely carried out, thank God. I don't see sympathy from you for the Poles who were tortured and murdered. That's all I'm asking for.

God watched as everything happened. He's watching now as people are being raped, tortured, murdered, etc. He can't interfere.

Ugh, I so wish I could stay online, but I have errands to do, so I won't be on until tomorrow morning. Have a great day, everyone.

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Jan 13, 10, 14:37 #444

Easy_Terran:

Easy_Terran:
But you Jews totally hijacked the history of WWII. WWII is associated with the Holokaust only.
Period.

Yehudi:
It shouldn't be. That's an impression I'm trying to correct here.

Easy_Terran:
Kudos to you for that!

yehudi:

But Poles in the US and UK don't seem to realize that, so they say things like...
kith:
Lots of people were slaughtered. Why classify and then imply one was worse than another?

You're so full of sh!t.
Admit - only JEWS died, only JEWS suffered, only JEWS were the main event/episode of the second war, second war=holokaust

Rest of the dumb, goy sh!ts who were murdered in waaaay greater number than the Jews - feck it, collateral damage.
Right?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 14:44 #445
kith: He can't interfere. Why not??? And why do you have to run away all the time? Stop!!! ;)

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 816 Joined: Jul 27, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 15:27 #446
Easy_Terran: Admit - only JEWS died, only JEWS suffered, only JEWS were the main event/episode of the second war, second war=holokaust Do you bother to read anything I wrote?. If this is what you got out of it I can't help you.

TrevekThreads: 30 Posts: 2,088 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 15:33 #447
yehudi: But Poles in the US and UK don't seem to realize that, so they say things like... Um, yeah, that's why they have a national Holocaust Day in UK. That's why kids get sent on school trips to Auschwitz

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,739 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 15:56 #448
Easy_Terran: Rest of the dumb, goy sh!ts who were murdered in waaaay greater number than the Jews - feck it, collateral damage. Right? The thing is that no one prevents us from doing what Jews do - meaning to push our causes. They do and we don't. It is similar to American blacks complaining that Korean immigrants own all the stores in black neighborhoods. I say to them: open your own.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Jan 13, 10, 16:12 #449
yehudi: Do you bother to read anything I wrote?. If this is what you got out of it I can't help you. Did you bother to think while typing your contradictory statements, Mr I-will-moral-you-dumb-Poles?

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Jan 13, 10, 16:31 #450

yehudi:

What's antisemitic is perpetuating stereotypes like this...

I’ll take it as a complement. So telling someone he should not blindly follow someone’s opinion but rather discover the truth for themselves is anti-Semitic these days, interesting! You have not even bothered to read the whole statement. How is it anti-Semitic? Care to explain it? I call it as I see it, you might not agree with it but that’s the way it is. The greed part in my view is spot on; it’s a pattern repeated over and over again, first there is a smear campaign followed by a payout few years later. This tactic works for you very well but it equates to no more than extortion.

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