Have Poles blood on their hands? :)

BrutalButcherThreads: 1 Posts: 623 Joined: Nov 10, 09 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 14:25 #481
Bratwurst Boy: Why do you think Obama send the Churchill bust back to London the moment he took office? Might have had something to do with his family fate under the hands of the Brits in Togo... I couldn´t care less about Obama´s actions or opinions.

time meansThreads: 9 Posts: 2,309 Joined: Apr 21, 08 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 14:27 #482
Bratwurst Boy: Chinese hail a Nazi in Nanking as their hero? Yep i have read the book "Rape of Nanking".

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Jan 17, 10, 14:30 #483
yehudi: But that's not what I said. I wasn't comparing who was more evil. Then I got you completely wrong and I apologize!

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Edited by: kith Jan 17, 10, 17:25 #484

yehudi:

kith:
think that these anti-Poland slurs by Foxman
He slurred Mel Gibson. Is he Polish?

No, sorry, I put those together. In my post, I was showing that he's had controversy. I'm near Boston and the Armenians here were pretty pissed when he said their genocide didn't happen. They Jewis guy in charge of the local ADL in Boston even resigned over it. In another person's post (sorry, I'll have to scroll through and see who) states that he tells school children whom he takes to the camps in Poland that Poles hate Jews, it's a hostile country, etc. It's not true, so these are slurs against Poland.

I know that you know that these slurs are not true. What I'm getting at is that Sheeple like Harry and too many others drink the Cool Aid and DON'T know that these things aren't true.

As far ads your other post about Isreali right wing groups and Israli left wing groups going for the jugular at each other, that's true, too. There's a lot of dissension among Jews.

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Jan 18, 10, 11:44 #485

kith:

he tells school children whom he takes to the camps in Poland that Poles hate Jews, it's a hostile country, etc.

On the other hand, someone who's in charge of security for a big group of school kids, many of who were never out of Israel and have no experience in the subtleties of Jewish-Polish history, and who have a more blunt way of talking than the average european, is probably right in trying to try and keep them from talking with people in the street – to keep them out of trouble. But it would be a lot better if there were organized opportunities to talk to Poles. I heard of a program where local polish high school kids work together with israeli kids in cleaning up abandoned jewish cemeteries. This is a really good idea. I once spoke to a man who leads Israeli groups to Poland and urged him to more of this, but the problem is that they usually have only one week to cover an entire country and there isn't time for this kind of in-depth contact.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Jan 20, 10, 02:56 #486
yehudi: and there isn't time for this kind of in-depth contact. Try getting some 2 - weeks in Poland close to the population itself trips or something! :)

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,858 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 4, 10, 18:17 #487
Yes Poles has blood on their hands but not as much as Jews.

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Feb 4, 10, 21:15 #488
Marek11111 Thank you for contributing with your thoughtful insight.

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Edited by: marqoz Feb 22, 10, 20:59 #489

espana:

Poles killed 1,600 Jews in the north-eastern village of Jedwabne in 1941a and all the massacres had previously been blamed on Nazi troops

It's factoid.
- Not 1,600 but 200-300.
- Not all Poles but dozen or so criminals and hooligans which provoked a tumult and terrorize part of citizens. It was easier to agitate them since just week or less the Soviets from secret police (all of Jewish origin) arrested and deported to Białystok prison some locals accused of anti-proletarian and capitalist attitude (where they probably were executed during the chaos just before Nazis got the town).
- Not alone but under auspices of German special commando which initiated such pogroms in Radziłów, Jedwabne and Wąsosz in the no-man's land after Russian troops and secret police withdrew and before German troops officially took over and before any police order was established.
- Not unpunished but ringleader were charged and convicted.

But with all these exceptions - you're perfectly right!

vetalaThreads: - Posts: 512 Joined: Jul 10, 09 ♀	Feb 22, 10, 22:02 #490
Why do you people keep digging up this old, pointless thread? Aren't there enough active threads of this kind?

marqozThreads: - Posts: 218 Joined: Feb 4, 10 ♂	Feb 22, 10, 22:13 #491
Sorry! Just action-reaction syndrome.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 07:55 #492
Some have and some haven't. The butchers usually do.

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 894 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Feb 23, 10, 14:28 #493
marqoz: Few have and most haven't. Seanus: A few have and most haven't ;) Now, Seanus, I've got a linguistic question to you. In which sentence more people have blood on their hands? What's your native feeling?

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 14:58 #494
My native knowledge you mean. A few generally means more than few but it's all relative. A few means kilka and few, mało. It's quite a close call and much depends on intonation and context.

strzygaThreads: 4 Posts: 894 Joined: Apr 30, 08 ♀	Feb 23, 10, 17:28 #495
I mean the feeling of a native speaker, I didn't say "knowledge" as it's not about precise, exact numbers, but you're right, that part of linguistic knowledge too. "Quite a few" would definitely be more than "few", but with "few" and "a few" in this context (millions of Poles) I wasn't sure, hence the question. I suppose both would be "nieliczni" or "niewielu" in Polish.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:40 #496
Pretty much, strzyga. A few tends to suggest more. Few would argue with that and a few would argue with that is clearer.

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:48 #497
Have Poles blood on their hands? NOT ENOUGH. i think that i said it already. So just to underline

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 19:51 #498
So you think they should settle old scores and avenge past losses, Crow?

CrowThreads: 365 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Feb 14, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 21:00 #499
Seanus: So you think they should settle old scores and avenge past losses, Crow? what else? Poland is under occupation of Eurabia. Its not secret

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 21:06 #500
What dangers do you see for Poland in the current setup? Under occupation, explain. What blood needs to be spilled?

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Edited by: Crow Feb 23, 10, 22:07 #501

Seanus:

What blood needs to be spilled?

actually, spilling of blood could be avoid with simple Poland`s decision. But, Poland should decide while there is still enough time

Seanus:

What dangers do you see for Poland in the current setup?

... total incorporation into Eurabia with Arabic/Turkish settlements in Poland. Its French, German, Holland and British.... receipt. Former colonial powers deserve that, while Poland that was itself victim of slave hunters from so called west deserve batter destine

Seanus:

Under occupation, explain.

Poland isn`t independent. We all know that

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,160 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Feb 23, 10, 23:24 #502
Crow, what goes on behind closed doors will go on regardless. Don't worry, the spirit of the people shows and we all know that Tusk makes almost every decision with a view to the next election. One wrong step and he'll get it. The Poles feel independent within the EU. Others will fight for more power in the EU.

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,858 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 24, 10, 19:04 #503
Poland is ruled by E.U. and E.U. is not a partnership it's dictatorship in fact you can make a case that all democracies are dictatorships as majority imposes it will on minority

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Feb 24, 10, 19:10 #504
Marek11111: Poland is ruled by E.U. and E.U. is not a partnership it's dictatorship in fact you can make a case that all democracies are dictatorships as majority imposes it will on minority Yeah....when you so want EVERY human society is a dictatorship...so what.. (I prefer this current dictatorship to other tried dictatorships in our past though!)

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,858 Joined: Aug 6, 09 MEMBER ♂	Feb 24, 10, 22:00 #505
I am not saying this is bad it's probably the best we got if the democracy is used to make humanity and society better but it does impose will of majority on to minority.

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