Have Poles blood on their hands? :)

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Dec 30, 09, 21:44 #151
może co michnik myśli? that how jews are talking about truth. gross with michnik work for holocaust industry. they are liars and this film is the proove torq=trash did I SOUND LIKE I WANT TO CHAT TO YOU? I'M INTERESTING IN THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT. STARTED WITH LIE BY HISPANIC COW

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Edited by: Barney Dec 30, 09, 21:56 #152
Sorry Mods, doesn't matter

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Edited by: ender Dec 30, 09, 22:00 #153
Barney I'm going to answer this way. Did you believe Iraq had nuclear weapon?

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:02 #154
I'm not going to talk about the Middle East.

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Edited by: ender Dec 30, 09, 22:04 #155

I'm not talking about ME. I'm asking about your believes. I BELIEVED AMERICANS AND ENGLISH. IS TRUE? NO. DID AMERICANS AND ENGISH KNOWS THERE IS NO NUCLEAR WEAPON? YES. Why they lied then? to make you believe. why? they wanted this war. why? probably its money but i don't give s shite about it. i don't give shite about iraqi, palestinian, israeli or american as long as they not shooting or bombing or shagging around me.

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:08 #156
Ok, I asked why you thought Jewish people turned against Poles. I didn't believe Iraq had Nuclear weapons. Now would you answer my question.

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Dec 30, 09, 22:10 #157

vetala:

What do you think of his other books? Is he a respected historian too, or only in the things you agree with him?

First of all, he is not historian but a sociologist.

His other books do not stand up to historical facts. They are holocaust porn. If you want to read a real book about that period, I suggest 'Ater the Holocaust' by Chodakiewicz.

Read the reviews here:

http://www.amazon.com/After-Holocaust-Marek-Jan-Chodakiewicz/dp/088033 5114

vetala:

Well, personally, I wouldn't bring out Gross as an expert on Polish-Jewish relation at all.

That is wise.

vetala:

PS I still think that Jedwabne and Kielce were shameful incidents and perpetraitors can't be justified by anything.

You want believe. You might want to take the time and read what those incidents were all about. You seem unconcerned about all the innocent Poles killed by the Jewish henchmen afer the war. Far more than a few hundred Jews. But Jews only see Jewish deaths worth talking about.

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Edited by: ender Dec 30, 09, 22:15 #158

Barney
lets say NOT every jew hates poles in fact common people like everywhere don't care. Only some of them wants money. its always about money. its blackmail
ask any pole whom he prefer jew or arab? 90% tell you jew. and why? cos they supporting each other way we are unable to do.
they took money from german so? germans the deserved it
they took money from swiss so? swiss will handle
why this thread made me pissed? explanation is above but I can repeat
miss espana THE COW wrote

Have Poles blood on their hands? :)
and put the link to this page

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:31 #159
Interesting quote on the almighty wikipedia page for Jan T Gross: Marek Edelman, one of the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising said in an interview with the Gazeta Wyborcza daily, "Postwar violence against Jews was mostly not about anti-Semitism, murdering Jews was pure banditry."

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Dec 30, 09, 22:33 #160

ender:

lets say NOT every jew hates poles in fact common people like everywhere don't care.

And not every Polish person hates Jewish people.

Historical events are far more complicated than a simple retelling of facts no matter how they are presented, what makes it interesting is the back story.
Lumping people together is never a good idea, I recall the anarchists expelled during the partition era lots ended up in London and continued their activities, they were Poles of all flavours. I cant speak for British people but I know they didnt lump Poles together as anarchists. Those Poles were trying to free their country (rightly or wrongly)

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:40 #161
Notice that Espana started this flaming thread but is not here to discuss it. The moderators do a very poor job by allowing obviously flaming threads to stand. Imagine getting on some Jewish forum and starting threads about Jews killing innocent Poles. Fat chance. Polish forum in name only.

BarneyThreads: 16 Posts: 1,630 Joined: May 26, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:42 #162
Often the flaming is the content:)

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Dec 30, 09, 22:45 #163

http://polandinjustice.com/
usual lies 1600 killed Jews instead of real 300. guys father lost his property in Poland (like many other Poles) he shows pic of his father and present him as a member of Militia (communist police). Ups its made me suspicious 99.9% of militia were communists. So I started reading his precious court order. Guess what was there. Communist judge GAVE to his father abandoned half of the house. Such houses usually belonged to Jew (DEAD JEW). Thing even this judge decision could not made him OWNER.

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Edited by: 1jola Dec 30, 09, 22:47 #164

Trevek:

Marek Edelman, one of the leaders of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising said in an interview with the Gazeta Wyborcza daily, "Postwar violence against Jews was mostly not about anti-Semitism, murdering Jews was pure banditry."

Edelman was right, but fails to mention that killiing the NKVD filth, Jewish or Polish, was an armed struggle not banditry. For 45 years it was called banditry in communist Poland.

Killing innocents is criminal by all standards. Why is it that you only hear one side?

It is the role of the Admin and the mods to discern what is a legit topic. I recently started a thread about a Nazi concentration camp for Polish children located in the Lodz ghetto. It is virtually unknown to most Poles and certainly to the non-Poles. My thread was merged into some obscure old thread. I have some doubts about this forum and its objectivity.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:57 #165
cos you are quiet?

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:58 #166
I don't know what else he said, Jola. he made the quote in reference to Gross's book about Kielce etc. I think he was focussing more on the point that the so-called pogroms were more about money and less about ethnicity/religion. Somewhere I have a reference that points out the Post-war Jewish culture in Poland actually thrived for some time, with a rise in Jewish literature, Yiddish press etc.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 22:59 #167
oh please its FORUM not historical portal

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:04 #168
It is Jews outside of Poland that stir the pot. Here things are more normal. We have a few haters like Michnik, Cichy, and Cała, but most of Polish Jews understand history better and are not prone to the Holocaust industry's propaganda. Something like 150 Holocaust museums in the US. How many museums detailing the communist crimes. How many?

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:05 #169
Trevek 1jola said about shmalzovniks BUT undoubtedly poles who promised help just killed for more money. There is no doubt this time you could do to jew in Poland anything you wonted. some people passed humanity exam some not.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:06 #170
ender: oh please its FORUM not historical portal Becoming a forum with an anti-Polish character. Look at the thread tittles.

enderThreads: 13 Posts: 528 Joined: Nov 7, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:11 #171
1jola I'm sorry but thats not true. Take Wroclaw Boy he is english or irish (who care) he seems to hate poles (or polish reality) in fact he is acting like typical pole :) always angry :) always too down to earth :)

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:13 #172
ender: some people passed humanity exam some not. ah, the same story everywhere, my friend. I like that phrase.

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Edited by: ender Dec 30, 09, 23:24 #173

and after war some Jew (a lot), Jew in power treated others poles, jews, hungarian, czechs, russian like something, thing which they can use to get more power. Scary thing is they were more ruthless then ANY other nation in communist party. and i think this tough to understand for us.
I personally can not cut out all jew cos its mean no Wierzynek, no Tuwim, no Korczak, no Shultz, no Bek and many many other great jew decent poles

TrevekThreads: 33 Posts: 2,155 Joined: May 21, 08 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:32 #174
I have no problems with Jews at all. For as many b@st@rds who are jewish there are probably just as many or more who aren't.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Dec 30, 09, 23:38 #175
vetala: In Jedwabne's case a bunch of moronic Poles were definitely perpetraitors. Well, what give you such certainty? yehudi: What people say is that Poles massacred Jews, because that apparently is what happened there. Allegedly!

Marek11111Threads: 49 Posts: 1,954 Joined: Aug 6, 09 ♂	Dec 31, 09, 00:08 #176
some Poles have blood on their hand as some jews have blood on their hands as the world turns kill or be killed do you think all Jews have blood on their hands as the Palestinians being exterminated in largest getho in the world.

ob1Threads: 1 Posts: 20 Joined: Dec 24, 09 ♂	Dec 31, 09, 00:58 #177
All of history is a lie. The little guy in the corner pulling all the strings, getting you to fight him, getting him to fight him is using you for pawns. Machiavelli is in control and you're pawns!

yehudiThreads: 1 Posts: 871 Joined: Jul 27, 08 ♂	Dec 31, 09, 10:35 #178
ob1: Machiavelli is in control and you're pawns! Sounds like a way of evading responsibility. The man on the street may not be responsible for the situation of the world but he is responsible for his own behavior. In a democracy he's also responsible for choosing the "guy in the corner".

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Dec 31, 09, 11:34 #179
yehudi: In a democracy he's also responsible for choosing the "guy in the corner". The guy later often forgets who elected him and why. It is universal, I'm affraid. In a multiparty system, it is virtually impossible to fulfill promises as coalitions are made to gain majority in the parliament.

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Edited by: lesser Dec 31, 09, 12:13 #180

yehudi:

The man on the street may not be responsible for the situation of the world but he is responsible for his own behaviour.

This is of course true.

yehudi:

In a democracy he's also responsible for choosing the "guy in the corner".

Here is a trap. You could also write that we could democratically decide how to dismantle biological bomb. People are no more competent to choose this "guy in the corner". Let face it, most of them have no clue. It is just media controlled by those "guys in the corner" tell them that they are competent enough and provide a list of electable "guys in the corner". Basically this is controlled oligarchy, people are just provided nice illusion that they are the most important deciders. Of course there is no such thing like "collective responsibility", from the start we know that nobody will be punished.

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