Why have Poles contributed so little to Academics? (Particularly Science)

magpieThreads: 7 Posts: 171 Joined: Mar 10, 09 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 12:28 #151
Foreigner4: what in god's name is this thread even about now? To see how many times you can get the word 'liar' in any one post, I think.

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Oct 22, 11, 13:09 #152

Sidliste_Chodov:

Yet out of the three Polish names you pointed out, one has a clearly Jewish surname

I was trying to be fair and I did it purposely. The origin of Maciej's last name could be Polish, Jewish or German. I have no desire to be checking it out, since I am not a racist or I am not convinced about superiority of one group of people or another - it does not really matter to me. But I do not like ridiculous claims and this is why I am here in this thread.

But don't you see how stupid his (AlexTheGreat) claim is? Actually the random list I presented shows that most of the authors are actually Chinese - with probability 99% that none of them is actually a hidden Jew.

If you really want to make any meaningful comparison, you have to know a bit about a subject matter, eliminate the outliners, and concentrate on those who publish the most and who are cited the most. In words - do exactly what every self-respecting scientist does in his/her spare time. :-)

Take for example Asher Peres - from Technion—Israel Institute of Technology, Haifa. He has 56 publications on ArXiv.com in Quantum Physics section, in the last 10 years. Well respected.

Then take the Horodeckis family: Michał, Paweł, Karol and Ryszard (the father) - from Gdańsk University. Altogether 168 publication at the same field, during the same period.
Karol - 19
Michał - 113
Paweł - 113
Ryszard - 59
This does not end up to 169 because they often publish together: two, three or even all four of them.

And now - surprise, surprise - go google "Peres-Horodecki criterion" - 52,100 results. Here is the wikipedia entry, if you are interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peres-Horodecki_criterion

Apparently, true scientists cooperate. Only arrogant trolls make all sorts of ridiculous statements, like the ones in this thread.

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Edited by: MediaWatch Oct 22, 11, 13:29 #153

ShortHairThug:

I really find your accusation amusing

AlexTheGreat: Except most Poles didn't consider Jews as fellow Polish neighbors for the majority of Polish history..

ShortHairThug:

Perhaps you don’t realize it but it is you who has this need to distinguish who is who and you’re doing just that in this thread. What’s the matter?

That's a good point.

I never understood that double standard.

If Poles merely make an observation about how a citizen of Poland is a Polish Jew (because many Polish Jews are proud of being Jewish and identify themselves as Polish Jews), that is a no no according to Jewish nationalists. But when Jewish nationalists distinguish a Polish citizen as a Polish Jew because he did something they thought was positive, then its OK.

I don't get it.

RetroDog

Oct 22, 11, 14:44 #154

"If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German
and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove
untrue, France will say that I am a German and Germany will declare that I am a Jew."
- Albert Einstein

" Therefore you see at thirteen I was not only converted to other religious
views but I also stopped believing that the Jewish people are in any way
"the chosen people. " This is my other reason for requesting not to be
included in your work."
- Richard Feynman
requesting to not be included on any list based on race.

pawianThreads: 90 Posts: 5,395 Joined: May 30, 08 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 20:07 #155
Polish scientists in Gdańsk developed an atomic clock based on pulsar timing. The most accurate ever. They claim it is the first such clock in the world.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,375 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 20:14 #156
pawian: They claim it is the first such clock in the world. No doubt, to counter this claim some Jew will claim he invented Time itself. LOL

AmathystThreads: 30 Posts: 3,968 Joined: Nov 10, 06 ♀	Oct 22, 11, 20:22 #157
Ironside: This thread still going ?Do not tell me that some troll keep you going for weeks? But it's always nice to prove people wrong, which he has been, several times - some poeple dont seem to think there is life outside of their own back yard and if they haven't heard much about a country then there cant be anything worth while about that country...Ignorance is bliss :)

RetroDog	Oct 22, 11, 22:33 #158
Well, actually Einstein reinvented Time. But he was attending catholic school, so he didn't get proper Jewish education in freedom of thinking.

RetroDog	Oct 22, 11, 22:40 #159
Wolfgang Pauli Nobel Prize in Physics 1945 was raised as a Roman Catholic, hehe It's getting interesting Einstein, Feynman, Pauli - not even raised as Jews.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 22, 11, 22:55 #160
May I just say that Hitler was a Catholic too. Thanks, that's all.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Oct 22, 11, 23:55 #161
RetroDog: Well, actually Einstein reinvented Time. His family was murdered by the Germans, and yet Alex the foolish seems to think that the Germans always considered Jews as their own(:

RetroDog	Oct 23, 11, 00:11 #162
Seanus: I have never claimed that Catholics are superior, so it doesn't bother me at all .

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Oct 23, 11, 00:20 #163
I know :) :)

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Edited by: EM_Wave Mar 10, 12, 05:32 #164

AlexTheGreat:

As you can see, 3 of the 4 Nobel Prize science winners from Poland are Jewish despite the fact that Jews were a minority.

So much for the theory that ethnic Poles are the smartest people in the world as claimed by many users here such as polskimoc.

Also, Jews account for over 20% of Nobel Prize winners. That is over 200 winners in total while Poland has only been awarded 12 Nobel Prize awards. I'm being generous with the latter too because I'm counting Jews.

That is quite sad really LMAO. It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL!

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Mar 10, 12, 06:36 #165

EM_Wave:

It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL!

And you are about to tell us, and to prove it too, how smart you are personally? Perhaps you have invented something breathtaking in mathematics, physics, engineering, or computer science - so you can gloat about it all over this forum? I cannot wait, please hurry up. I am humbly ready to examine your achievements and - if they are anything more than high school exercise - I am ready to personally decorate you with a laurel wreath.

Otherwise, apologize and shut up.

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Mar 10, 12, 06:43 #166

boletus:

And you are about to tell us, and to prove it too, how smart you are personally? Perhaps you have invented something breathtaking in mathematics, physics, engineering, or computer science - so you can gloat about it all over this forum? I cannot wait, please hurry up. I am humbly ready to examine your achievements and - if they are anything more than high school exercise - I am ready to personally decorate you with a laurel wreath.

Otherwise, apologize and shut up.

You're missing the point. Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people, their food is the best, and their women are the most beautiful. They complain about Jews all the time even though Jews have CLEARLY contributed so much more to the world than they have.

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Mar 10, 12, 07:32 #167

EM_Wave:

You're missing the point. Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people, their food is the best, and their women are the most beautiful. They complain about Jews all the time even though Jews have CLEARLY contributed so much more to the world than they have.

No, I am not missing anything, don't be so presumptuous. I see your spite very clearly. You just resurrected the old thread, hoping to **** all over Poles, but actually you just ****ed all over yourself, because your logic is screwed here very badly.

You obviously do not see any difference between "universal quantification" and "existential quantification", between words "all" and "some". I already gave a little lecture somewhere on this forum on the subject of quantification and generalization. If you read it you would not have been posting your nonsense in this thread.

Specifically, when you say "Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people" you imply "all Poles", and that is a universal statement, and because of its universality - it is definitely false.

As an example, I will tell you very strongly that your quantification "all Poles" does not include me, and because of it - "all Poles" - "boletus" is not equal to "all Poles" anymore. So what you have implied is actually false, and therefore you were spreading a lie. If you have just said "some Poles" rather than "Poles" (or "all Poles") I would have just passed by happily, ignoring your post.

Secondly, I am not going through the futile exercise of comparing either brain capacities or penis sizes. That's the childish game. Whatever happened for the last two centuries before was historically conditioned and it is a matter of the past. Whatever happens nowadays is another story. Poles have nothing to be ashamed of in the field of modern science nowadays.

But if you still attempt to play a game about superiority of your people, then I remind you of my challenge from my previous post: Show off and I would be more than happy to match it. Otherwise shut up.

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Mar 10, 12, 07:50 #168

boletus:

Specifically, when you say "Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people" you imply "all Poles", and that is a universal statement, and because of its universality - it is definitely false.

No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles. The facts have been stated in this thread. Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland. This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread.

boletusThreads: 47 Posts: 1,095 Joined: Apr 13, 11 ♂	Mar 10, 12, 07:58 #169
EM_Wave: This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread. Oh, you read my other posts? Without comprehension obviously. But I know when to walk away from futile childish discussions.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 10, 12, 09:33 #170
EM_Wave: That is quite sad really LMAO. It's hilarious that some Poles think they're the smartest people LOL! That's a pretty poor attempt at trolling.

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Edited by: MediaWatch Mar 10, 12, 13:42 #171

EM_Wave:

You're missing the point. Poles are always talking about how they are the smartest people, their food is the best, and their women are the most beautiful..

No they are not in general. That is a loaded remark by you in which you are trying to provoke anti-Polish prejudice by it.

EM_Wave:

No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles..

That’s another loaded anti-Polish remark by you saying that “in general” Poles think this or that.

Although I'm sure some Poles may feel that way, do you really think Poles think anymore than Russians, Jews, Italians, Brits, Americans, etc to have this idealistic view about there own people?

EM_Wave:

Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland.

How do you know that? And if true, should Poland get any credit for giving Jews a place to live where they could contribute to science? Or maybe you think it should be taken for granted that Poles gave Jews a place to live?

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Mar 10, 12, 14:00 #172

MediaWatch:

No they are not in general. That is a loaded remark by you in which you are trying to provoke anti-Polish prejudice by it.

Sorry MediaWatch, but while bumping the thread in this way was blatant trolling, it doesn't change the facts - Poles are notorious for this. Then again, I live in Poland and hear it on a daily basis, and you? What do you hear, except Americanisms?

MediaWatch:

That’s another loaded anti-Polish remark by you saying that “in general” Poles think this or that.

It's not anti-Polish, it's factual. In general, Poles regard themselves as better than everyone else. It's common in Europe.

MediaWatch:

And if true, should Poland get any credit for giving Jews a place to live where they could contribute to science?

Will you stop with this "give credit to Poland for giving them a home" nonsense.

IronsideThreads: 59 Posts: 6,786 Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂	Mar 10, 12, 16:01 #173
[quote=EM_Wave] No, I'm not implying every single Pole. I am implying it's a general view among many Poles. The facts have been stated in this thread. Jews have contributed more to science than Poles have even though they were a minority in Poland. This obviously makes you angry judging by your other posts in this thread. Let talk why you are such a teat!

EM_WaveThreads: 20 Posts: 513 Joined: Nov 11, 11 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 10, 12, 21:17 #174
delphiandomine: That's a pretty poor attempt at trolling. Oh come on. Please don't try to tell me you've never met a Pole who thought Poles are the most intelligent people on earth.

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Mar 10, 12, 21:43 #175

Jews are EVERYWHERE, not only in Poland, overrepresented in "white collar" jobs, including science, and this overrepresentation translates into a statistically elevated ratio of true achievements. There are two reasons for this, one is of a mixed, cultural/genetic nature, the other one is purely cultural.
The first factor is, of course, the intelligence. Argue as much as you want whether the reason for the above-average intelligence among Ashkenazi Jews is a result of genetic or rather cultural factors. The other reason is purely cultural, and is based on a thing that is alien to most Europeans. Let me illustrate this with an anecdote.

More than 10 years ago, we had an after-conference farewell dinner. Naturally, we were trading stories and observations. A Jewish professor told a story about her nephew, who was, well, let's put it in this way: he wasn't an Einstein. So, "to give him a head start, I employed him in my lab", said the professor. She said it without any shame, without even a trace of a realization that what she did is virtually everywhere (outside Asia and Africa) considered inappropriate. For me, it is completely natural to judge people on their merits alone, and promote/recommend an Indian or a Chinese over a fellow Pole, without any regrets. Jews are much more governed by nepotism and ethnic solidarity, and these translate into additional opportunities for their fellow Jews, not available to members of ethnic groups more concerned about fairness and merits - the basic elements of the academic ethos.

teflcatThreads: 6 Posts: 1,074 Joined: May 29, 11 ♂	Mar 10, 12, 21:57 #176
Gruffi_Gummi: Jews are EVERYWHERE Do you think that the final solution wasn't completed efficiently?

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Mar 10, 12, 22:23 #177

Gruffi_Gummi:

She said it without any shame, without even a trace of a realization that what she did is virtually everywhere (outside Asia and Africa) considered inappropriate.

Er...have you been in Poland lately, or at all?

Gruffi_Gummi:

For me, it is completely natural to judge people on their merits alone, and promote/recommend an Indian or a Chinese over a fellow Pole, without any regrets.

It might be for you, but it's not that way in Europe.

Gruffi_Gummi:

Jews are much more governed by nepotism and ethnic solidarity, and these translate into additional opportunities for their fellow Jews, not available to members of ethnic groups more concerned about fairness and merits - the basic elements of the academic ethos.

Hahaha. Sorry, but while they might not be so clued up in America, Europeans know all about "looking after one's own".

xzqbq7Threads: 1 Posts: 54 Joined: Apr 24, 10 ♂	Mar 10, 12, 23:16 #178
TheAttorney45: Poles haven't contributed much to academia Poles haven't contributed to media ownership, that much is true. Therefore they are nazis, collborators, stupid, scum etc. Point in case: full face restoration surgery in the US. Huge media event, never mentioned Prof. Maria Siemionow nationality.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 11, 12, 00:03 #179
xzqbq7: Poles haven't contributed to media ownership, that much is true. Therefore they are nazis, collborators, stupid, scum etc. More paranoia? xzqbq7: Point in case: full face restoration surgery in the US. Huge media event, never mentioned Prof. Maria Siemionow nationality. What does her nationality have to do with being a great surgeon?

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Mar 11, 12, 00:27 #180

Delphi, Europe is a big place, and Poland is fairly large too. You definitely can find nepotism in many places in Europe and North America, but academia is supposed to be governed by high ethical standards. People may still do it from time to time, but at least they know that this is wrong. What shocked me during that dinner was the utter disregard even for the appearances. Hiring a relative - business as usual.

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