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Mar 29, 10, 17:55 #61

Bratwurst Boy: Well...not anymore I would think. Right now Poland looks good compared to some "older" western countries.

In what regard? C'mon we dont have any political elites, our economy is in shambles when compared to all large western states.

jonni: So you're sitting wherever, writing the usual bile, nastiness and vulgarity while claiming to be "suffering" from something?

Yep pretty much.

jonni: While others, actually in Poland, old enough to have really suffered just get on with life.

So do i, i never really mistread anyone based on my political or historical views, of course someone could make a point that i verbally abuse people like you but thats only because you can be a f*cking idiot sometimes.

jonni: Interesting that you use the word "we". Opens a whole Pandora's Box, that does...

We the Poles, we the Germans, we the French, you know the whole nationality concept thats been around for the last 140 years?

jonniThreads: 26 Posts: 4,181 Joined: Nov 27, 07 ♂	Mar 29, 10, 18:00 #62
Sokrates: i verbally abuse people That's true. Sokrates: We the Poles, we the Germans, we the French You feel qualified to speak for all 40 million?

Bratwurst BoyThreads: 11 Posts: 14,563 Joined: Apr 2, 07 ♂	Edited by: Bratwurst Boy Mar 29, 10, 18:01 #63
Sokrates: In what regard? C'mon we dont have any political elites, our economy is in shambles when compared to all large western states. PIIGS anybody? GREECE for fucksake??? Economical and social basket cases even as they are hanging for years on the tits of the EU! Poland is above them already if you like it or not! ;)

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Edited by: Sokrates Mar 29, 10, 18:40 #64

Bratwurst Boy: GREECE for fucksake???

How is Greeks being retards about their economy relevant?

Bratwurst Boy: Economical and social basket cases even as they are hanging for years on the tits of the EU! Poland is above them already if you like it or not! ;)

Poland is also above Ukraine or Belarus, being above third world countries or a bunch of spendy idiots doesnt change our here and now situation.

jonni: That's true.

You're not people, you're a person, sometimes.

jonni: You feel qualified to speak for all 40 million?

Of course not but i'm more "qualified" then you, being Polish and all.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 01:53 #65
Bratwurst Boy: Well...not anymore I would think. Right now Poland looks good compared to some "older" western countries. You are right B B. if you actually take look at the composition of the gov, it stacks up quite well even against countries that do not fall into the Greek category. I find Poles in general love to dump on their gov, even though they usually know very little about it.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 02:02 #66
and you a master with Polish politics? am I right?

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Mar 30, 10, 02:21 #67
and you a master with Polish politics? am I right? I can name the whole cabinet, and their qualifications and i follow the media and papers avidly and i studied politics before, in short I would say yes i am. I can also name the entire British cabinet as well as the shadow cabinet and i also follow the UK media.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 02:30 #68
I can name the whole British cabinet but wouldnt say I understand UK politics I know English so my knowlegde of British politics is much better that yours about Poland when you read stories form English speaking sources. Learn Polish and comment then.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Edited by: hague1cmaeron Mar 30, 10, 02:51 #69
I can name the whole British cabinet but wouldnt say I understand UK politics I know English so my knowlegde of British politics is much better that yours about Poland when you read stories form English speaking sources. Learn Polish and comment then. I bet you can't ( not without doing research) and by the way i was originally born in Poland and speak the language.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Edited by: TIT Mar 30, 10, 02:54 #70
u must be jocking :) :) :) rostowski? vincent without pesel? ( get my drift? )

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 03:08 #71
u must be jocking :) :) :) rostowski? vincent without pesel? ( get my drift? ) It is the qualifications that matter, he is a citizen in both countries. Had his parents stayed in Poland he would probably not be alive right now.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 03:11 #72
you know nothing about Poles in Great Britain after 1945 how old are you? 18?

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 03:18 #73
you know nothing about Poles in Great Britain after 1945 how old are you? 18? What has my age anything to do with this argument? And no, i am not 18. And what do you mean by 'you know nothing about Poles in Great Britain after 1945.' Completely of topic and irrelevant.

TITThreads: 9 Posts: 353 Joined: Jan 7, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 03:21 #74
point me impotrant dates for Poles from 1945 to 1989

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 03:29 #75
point me impotrant dates for Poles from 1945 to 1989 Where? and why? In Poland: 1989 certainly the most important, maybe followed by 16 October 1978.

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Mar 30, 10, 06:37 #76

And you're either confused or just plain lying (as usual) when you claim that the first Polish parachute regiment was all but wiped out after being used as cannon foder. In reality the Poles suffered a loss rate of 23% during Market Garden, which is far better than the 75%+ which the British lost.

Am I? Read the last sentence of p. 376 of Rising '44 by Norman Davies.

Are you teaching the little tyke to racially abuse people just like daddy does?

Little tyke is a pretty apt description, but no, I won't be teaching him that sort of stuff. Even if I wanted to, my hands are too full just keeping up with the little fella. You'll experience all that when you have your own kid.

My initial reaction was to say something quite nasty in response to you but I'm actually happy within myself to say that those initial feelings were quickly replaced with a feeling of genuine pity for you. I pity you that you feel it appropriate to bring family members into the equation as an attack (though veiled) on me and other persons on this forum.

I'll add to that by saying that if you ever have a child I hope your child grows up happy and healthy, reaches his/her full potential, and makes you and your wife proud, however you measure that emotion.

Who mentioned "accredited" historians?

I did, more as an example illustrative of the point I was trying to make. I think on the issues we've been discussing we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Why don't you move to Poland? Did you ever considered it?

I was in Spain a few years ago and had all the plans laid to visit Poland for a few weeks but time and work commitments cancelled that unfortunately, much to my disappointment. I might like to move to and live in Poland when I retire however, and I plan to retire in about 10-15 years if things continue for me the way they are professionally.

Once my son is a bit older and able to appreciate the experience, I will definitely visit. I'd like to see where my family came from, my grandad's grave and probably even do a bit of soul searching whilst there.

My brother went there a few years ago and stayed for a few months, so I might cart him along, as well as dad, though dad doesn't seem to keen to go back - too many bad memories.

I'll certainly let the forum know if I'm going just in case anyone wants to catch up for a beer and/or wodka (it'll be my shout!).

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Mar 30, 10, 11:05 #77

I think it's fair to say that everybody gets on with their lives, it would be ridiculous to suggest that the Polish people are pre-occupied with their hatred of the Germans/Russians + whoever else gave them the once over.

BUT

It is always important to remember the pain and suffering that was caused by one set of people to another, because if we forget, then there is always the possibility that our forgetfulness will come back to haunt us.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 11:33 #78
It is always important to remember the pain and suffering that was caused by one set of people to another, because if we forget, then there is always the possibility that our forgetfulness will come back to haunt us. How's that been working out so far?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 30, 10, 13:54 #79
How's that been working out so far? Pretty good, we have the longest period of peace between major powers in european history, 65 years without any major war breaking Europe to bits is a pretty good score.

convexThreads: 46 Posts: 7,185 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Mar 30, 10, 23:42 #80
Sokrates: Pretty good, we have the longest period of peace between major powers in european history, 65 years without any major war breaking Europe to bits is a pretty good score. I guess if you're concentrated on Europe. Even then people are still systematically murdering each other just 300km from Vienna.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 3, 10, 02:13 #81
convex: I guess if you're concentrated on Europe. Even then people are still systematically murdering each other just 300km from Vienna. Sorry i dont give a sh*t about Balkans, as long as mainstream Europe is at peace i'm cool with midget states running each other over with farming tractors, especially if there's no escalation potential.

StepanBanderaThreads: - Posts: 4 Joined: Apr 16, 10 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 11:29 #82
Wasn't Polish Maj. General. S. Sosabowski assassinated by the KGB? or British Secret Service? in a PLANE ACCIDENT! coincidence?

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Apr 16, 10, 11:45 #83
StepanBandera: Wasn't Polish Maj. General. S. Sosabowski assassinated by the KGB? or British Secret Service? in a PLANE ACCIDENT No, he died in Hillingdon Hospital in Middlesex, UK and died from heart disease at the age of 75.

king polkacanonThreads: - Posts: 90 Joined: Apr 5, 10 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 16:46 #84
I am not afraid since I know Russians are going to save us in the end.

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Edited by: Sasha Apr 16, 10, 16:56 #85
StepanBandera: General. S. Sosabowski assassinated by the KGB? Right you are. :) Those must have been no one but Soviets. They also killed Olof Palme.

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,358 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 17:12 #86
Sasha: Right you are. :) Those must have been no one but Soviets. They also killed Olof Palme. I think he means Sikorski

SashaThreads: 2 Posts: 1,597 Joined: Apr 19, 08 ♂	Apr 16, 10, 18:58 #87
Mr Grunwald: I think he means Sikorski Det gör detsamma. :) Whatever he says there should be the evil Russian trace. Check his posts each of them contains the word "Russian" at least once.

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