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 Jun 8, 11, 18:25    #1
In his - brilliant - book "Bloodlands", Timothy Snyder writes about the Russian-speaking Japanese consul in Kaunas, who used as informers and assistants Polish officers who had escaped the Soviets and the Germans. They got Japanese passports and travel documents by which then traveled all through the USSR and escaped through Japan to the West.. Later the consul, Chiune Sugihara, with the help of Polish officers helped several thousands of Jews to escape from Lithiania through the USSR by rail and then onwards to Palestine or the USA.
And he concludes: "This action was the coda, silent but firm, of decades of Polish-Japanese intelligence cooperation".
Remarkable story and a remarkable man - A Japanese Oskar Schindler.
Does anybody know something more about that Polish-Japanese cooperation?

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Edited by: SeanBM  Jun 8, 11, 18:29    #2
Polish-Japanese Secret Cooperation During World War II: Sugihara Chiune and Polish Intelligence


And wikipedia has this: History of the Jews in Japan

Of those who arrived, many (around 5,000) were sent to the Dutch West Indies with Japanese visas issued by Chiune Sugihara, the Japanese consul to Lithuania. Sugihara ignored his orders and gave thousands of Jews entry visas to Japan, risking his career and saving more than 6,000 lives. Sugihara is said to have cooperated with Polish intelligence, as a part of bigger Japanese-Polish cooperative plan.[4] They managed to flee across the vast territory of Russia by train to Vladivostok and then by boat to Kobe in Japan. The refugees in number of 2,185 arrived in Japan from August 1940 to June 1941. Tadeusz Romer, the Polish ambassador in Tokyo, had managed to get transit visas in Japan, asylum visas to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Burma, immigration certificates to Palestine, and immigrant visas to the United States and some Latin American countries. Most Jews were permitted and encouraged to move on from Japan to the Shanghai Ghetto, China, under Japanese occupation for the duration of World War II. Finally, Tadeusz Romer arrived in Shanghai on November 1, 1941, to continue the action for Jewish refugees.[5] Among those saved in the Shanghai Ghetto were leaders and students of Mir yeshiva, the only European yeshiva to survive the Holocaust. They, some 400 in number, fled from Mir to Vilna with the outbreak of World War II in 1939, and then to Keidan, Lithuania. In late 1940, they obtained visas from Chiune Sugihara, to travel from Keidan, then Lithuanian SSR, via Siberia and Vladivostok to Kobe, Japan.[6] By November 1941 the Japanese moved this group and most of others on to the Shanghai Ghetto in order to consolidate the Jews under their control.[7]


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 Jun 8, 11, 18:35    #3
The Japanese are good people. No wonder whatever you throw at them, they rise and rise good!
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 Jun 8, 11, 18:47    #4
This part of the story I already knew. But what about the Polish-Japanese cooperation before?
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 Jun 8, 11, 18:50    #5
sobieski:
But what about the Polish-Japanese cooperation before?

Pi³sudski went to Japan during the Russo-Japanese War and urged the Japanese to allow their Polish POWs to arm themselves and fight against the Russians but the Japanese declined.
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Edited by: Pro_Svet_Spb  Jun 16, 11, 09:06    #6
Lodz_The_Boat:
The Japanese are good people. No wonder whatever you throw at them, they rise and rise good!


Under indications on court the commander of Kvantuns army of general Otsudzo Jamady, «the Group 731» has been organized with a view of biological warfare preparation, mainly against Soviet Union, and also against the Mongolian National Republic, China and other states. By judicial examination also it has been proved that in «Group 731» on live people whom Japanese among themselves named "logs", not Japanese (Chineses, Russian, Mongols, the Koreans seized by gendarmerie or special services of Kvantuns army), other, not less cruel and painful experiences which did not have the direct relation to preparation of biological warfare [1] were spent also.

Some medical officers of group became subsequently the known surgeons doing unique operations thanks to experience, got in «Group 731». Perhaps, it is possible to name the most typical this sort of experience opening of the live person [2]. At experimental under anesthetic or under local anesthesia gradually took all vitals, one after another [3], since a peritoneum and a thorax and finishing a brain. Still the live bodies named "preparations", left on the further researches in different departments of group.

Limits of endurance of a human body in certain conditions — for example, at the big heights were studied or at low temperature. For this purpose people placed in pressures chamber, fixing on a film an agony, freezed extremities and observed gangrene approach. If the prisoner, despite infection with his killing bacteria, recovered, it didn't rescue him from repeated experiences which proceeded until there came death. "Pre-production models" never left laboratories live [4].

In similar activity with reference to pets and agricultural crops was engaged and «Group 100». Also on «Group 100» problems on manufacture of the bacteriological weapon and carrying out of diversionary actions were assigned.

The basis «group 100» was in 10 kilometers to the south of Sintszina in a place of Mentszjatun. «The group 100» was slightly less «Group 731», staff of his employees totaled 800 persons.

Activity «Group 731» was investigated in a course of "the Khabarovsk process» which has come to the end with condemnation of some the military men of Kvantunsky army involved in his creation and work, to various terms of imprisonment.

Later many employees of this group have received scientific degrees and social recognition, for example Masadzi Kitano [5]. Many have moved to the USA, for example the head of group Isii [6] where were appreciated the knowledge got in group [6]. The American authorities haven't called these criminals to account because as it is underlined in the book of Morimury, the information on Japanese experiments in the field of the bacteriological weapon was of great value for the American program on his working out...

Ask Chinese for more details about Japanese...

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Отряд_731



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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Jun 16, 11, 09:31    #7
Lodz_The_Boat:
The Japanese are good people. No wonder whatever you throw at them, they rise and rise good!


The Chinese might think differently....no?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contest_To_Cut_Down_100_People

You are astoundingly generous about japanese behavior during their wars....but not so with others, why is that? ;)

...
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war.
"This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture."[36]


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 Jun 16, 11, 15:15    #8
Lodz_The_Boat:
The Japanese are good people. No wonder whatever you throw at them, they rise and rise good!

Yes,sure.

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 Jun 16, 11, 15:56    #9
isthatu2:
Yes,sure.

I think I've mentioned this before, when I was a child we had three neighbours who had been Japanese prisoners of war, two of them soldiers, but one woman was a child in Burma when she, her mother and siblings were taken by the Japs. One of the men had managed to rebuild his life, but had a deep hatred of the Japanese, would not have any Japanese products in his house, the other was on a permanent return trip to the mental hospital where he eventually died. The lady whoa was just a child when taken by the Japs had snow white hair, she was born with black hair, but it turned white when she was 13 because of the treatment she received. She told me how her brother aged ten had a fever, the Japs said he was infectious, doused his bed with petrol and was about to set fire to it, with the boy alive in it, when a doctor stopped them saying that it was not infectious.
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 Jun 16, 11, 18:26    #10
I put those up not to have a go at todays japanese in any way,just as a counter to lodz's rather rosey view. One I know me and you have both seen from Poles before. I really do wonder if they are taught anything about the war in the Far East? Ive noticed Polish Americans dont have the same collective blindness to Japans brutal past :(
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 Jun 16, 11, 18:39    #11
sobieski:
about the Russian-speaking Japanese consul in Kaunas, who used as informers and assistants Polish officers who had escaped the Soviets and the Germans. They got Japanese passports and travel documents by which then traveled all through the USSR and escaped through Japan to the West.. Later the consul, Chiune Sugihara, with the help of Polish officers helped several thousands of Jews to escape from Lithiania through the USSR by rail and then onwards to Palestine or the USA.

They should make a movie about this, if it's all authentic
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 Jun 16, 11, 20:01    #12
isthatu2:
I really do wonder if they are taught anything about the war in the Far East?

Those that were in the Far East always referred to it as the forgotten war.



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