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beyaz turkThreads: 1
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Joined: Nov 11, 11 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 17:28    #1
As you know we have a strongly connectded history between Turkey and Poland. Even we are far away from each other.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonezk%C3%B6y

So what do you know and think about us? What does a Polish citizen know about us? (Generally)

We were politically close to Germany during world war 1 and 2... But we never participated their Nazi policy. Actually we saved some innocent people from been massacreted.
http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stosunki_polsko-tureckie

And even in cyber world we have a good relationship. for example in this online mmorpg game we are in a good alliance:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/beyaz+turk
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 18:14    #2
Most Poles tend not to look far beyond kebabs tbh.
CrowThreads: 367
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Joined: Feb 14, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Nov 11, 11, 18:22    #3
Its quite idiotic to me to see Poland and Turkey in alliance. Its morbid humiliation of Poland
saschaThreads: 13
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Joined: Jun 10, 10  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 18:28    #4
Seanus:
Most Poles tend not to look far beyond kebabs tbh.

just for vacations...if at all. ;)
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 18:51    #5
Crow:
Its quite idiotic to me to see Poland and Turkey in alliance. Its morbid humiliation of Poland

wake up call, Polish insurgents found haven in Ottomon Empire and they allways asked where Poland's ambassador is!

That's for you my dear pro-Russian friend :)
hythornThreads: 6
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Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 19:13    #6
Crow:
Its quite idiotic to me to see Poland and Turkey in alliance


it is no more idiotic than Poland and Serbia in alliance

Poles have embraced Turkish culture to the point that you cannot walk 50 metres in any Polish city without coming across a kebab shop :-)
Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34
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Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 21:40    #7
hythorn:
Poles have embraced Turkish culture to the point that you cannot walk 50 metres in any Polish city without coming across a kebab shop :-)

That's a bit over the edge don't make the Serbian hospital's work for no use

hythorn:
it is no more idiotic than Poland and Serbia in alliance

pitty but, it's far less moronic I agree
gumishuThreads: 17
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Joined: Apr 6, 09  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 22:04    #8
beyaz turk:
So what do you know and think about us? What does a Polish citizen know about us? (Generally)



an average Polish citizens knows kebab, remembers Turkish woolen sweaters and Turkish jeans (early 90's) and knows Turkey is a beautiful country with brilliant seaside and lots of historic places

some remember from history lessons that there were wars between Poland and Turkey
calcedoniaThreads: 11
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Joined: Sep 20, 11 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Nov 11, 11, 22:34    #9
Dear Polish friends I dont like to write here about'' polish what thinking about turks'',because if some polish met with bad cracter turkish,he knows all are bad,some polish met good cracter they knows good about turks.I dont believe nationalism and religion friendship ,friendship could be any time any where,we are so far with japanese but Turkey Japan friendship so strong believe me,and we love Poland and Polish diffrent than other europa because Im sure Polish high culture and cracter,they are so modest,calm and gentleman people, and war they acted like that and ottoman empire was respect them, we know about polish '' they respect even their enemy'' and doest matter who doesnt know about history and culture dont like turkey and Turkish, but someones realy jealious if polish likes Turkish all the time they show Turkey eastern pirmitive,underdeveloped country, I make remmeber them when we were empire some country was like village but any way we respect all if shows just Turkey is islam religion because of primitive they are wrong ,I can say many country less civilization than Turkey and near history barbaric war they had but I never say this,KEBABs name I thing came from arabic,Please like all italian open pizzarie and all Turkish open kebab shop wrong and in poland Turkish kebab not good and class. islam in Turkey realy better than other islamic country because of Ataturk, he was agnostic and establish new Turkish republic like that but not finish this,Im not accept islam I denied ,many turkish same but goverment closed this. west and north side people belive islam they are not fanatic very soft religion believe and good muslims but east near the iran iraq yes islam is not soft many stupit guys try to marry with 4 women I am ashamed of this ,it is not islamic republic ,modern turkish law never let this,yes we have problem with primitive believer,but west turkey,north,and south realy good for vacation and live ,if polish didnt visit go visit specialy istanbul and please compare vith other big cities london,paris,moscow,if you seen diffrence please tell ,yes we have also gettho problem eastern moved west but what can you do if free country people can move in their country freely,I just want to say in history 200.000 polish stayed in Turkey in SAFE, some other countries attact them we protect those people ,and we will do all the time this beautiful and good people. we dont forced people Turkish polish friendship must to be ,if even they dont like turkish ,we respect this people. ALL POLES WELCOME TO TURKEY.
SeanusThreads: 22
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Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 11, 11, 23:11    #10
There doesn't appear to be any conflict here. The Turks I see here are quiet and unassuming, even broody.

As for knowledge, well, indifference is likely the norm.
southernThreads: 116
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 09:00    #11
Seanus:
The Turks I see here are quiet and unassuming, even broody.


Turks have this characteristic slowness.A Greek is always moving.
hague1cmaeronThreads: 21
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calcedonia:
ALL POLES WELCOME TO TURKEY.

beautiful clip, I am sure it is a beautiful country.
hythornThreads: 6
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Joined: Feb 21, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:10    #13
southern:
Turks have this characteristic slowness.A Greek is always moving


what form does this movement take?

I am really intrigued
southernThreads: 116
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hythorn:
what form does this movement take?


Now hin and front with Germanics behind.
hythornThreads: 6
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southern:
Now hin and front with Germanics behind.


it sounds interesting but difficult to picture

any chance of providing a diagram? :-)
IronsideThreads: 59
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Joined: Feb 26, 09 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:33    #16
beyaz turk:
So what do you know and think about us?

I know plenty about Turky.
beyaz turk:
What does a Polish citizen know about us? (Generally)

Generally ?Not much really.
blackadderThreads: 4
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Joined: Jun 28, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:35    #17
Turks are alright,nice country,great sportsman.
I can't see why European Union rejects them,better have them in Europe than in Putin's new Euroasian alliance.
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blackadder:
Turks are alright,nice country


What do you expect from a Croat?

blackadder:
I can't see why European Union rejects them


It is the Germans stupid.(like it is the capitalism stupid).
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southern:
Turks have this characteristic slowness.A Greek is always moving.


Greek go to work,you know what working is,right?
There's a sayin-''Lazy as a Greek'',you heard it?
southernThreads: 116
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Joined: May 17, 07 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:48    #20
blackadder:
Lazy as a Greek'',you heard it?


I know angry as a Turk.
Anyway the Germans do not want the Turks inside the EU since they don't know what to do with the 3 million turkish immigrants residing in Germany.
rockThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:50    #21
southern:
Turks have this characteristic slowness.A Greek is always moving.


Yes, you run away very quickly. hahaha


blackadder:
Turks are alright,nice country,great sportsman.


Thanks blackadder. I think that these comments are mutual. We Turks look Croatians with sympathy as well. After a shock defeat against Croatia, all Turks applauded Croatian team yesterday.
blackadderThreads: 4
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Joined: Jun 28, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 10:53    #22
Your insult was uncalled for,you know that?
Maybe you should concentrate your energy at something more productive.I know that Germans have problem with Turks,but if Putin's alliance come to life it's better have Turkey on our side.
I choose tolerance above nationalism anytime.
blackadderThreads: 4
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Joined: Jun 28, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 11:01    #23
rock:
Thanks blackadder. I think that these comments are mutual. We Turks look Croatians with sympathy as well. After a shock defeat against Croatia, all Turks applauded Croatian team yesterday.

Well respect is mutual.I don't like nationalism,this thread is about friendship and tolerance.World will never be a better place if we don't respect each others.
Yesterday's match was really great,intense,attacking match.Turkey is a strong team,you were unlucky to have Germany in group,and now you faced team equal to you,not stronger.
saschaThreads: 13
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Joined: Jun 10, 10  Pictures: 2 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 12:32    #24
southern:
Anyway the Germans do not want the Turks inside the EU since they don't know what to do with the 3 million turkish immigrants residing in Germany.

genau.

rock:
We Turks look Croatians with sympathy as well. After a shock defeat against Croatia, all Turks applauded Croatian team yesterday.

really? no bad press today about the huge defeat? heard that the press already fired your national coach???

blackadder:
I choose tolerance above nationalism anytime.

nice. how do you think about greece and serbia? they are your neighbours? just curious.

rock:
We Turks look Croatians with sympathy as well

whom do you not look with sympathy these days? ;)
rockThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		 Nov 12, 11, 12:56    #25
sascha:
really? no bad press today about the huge defeat? heard that the press already fired your national coach???


Of course we do not blame Croatia for this defeat. They play perfect, deserved this win and were applauded.

Yes, as I told before Hiddink is the most responsible person for this defeat and not only the press but all Turks are waiting without patience for his resignation or fired.


sascha:
whom do you not look with sympathy these days? ;)


Pesonally, I do not look with sympathy to France, Germany, Israel and USA. It is not about the folks of these countries but their governments and/or state policies for sure.
blackadderThreads: 4
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sascha:
nice. how do you think about greece and serbia? they are your neighbours? just curious.


I wish all best to both of them.
I only hate extreme nationalism and people who think they are superior to others,no matter if they are my countrymen or Serb.
calcedoniaThreads: 11
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Joined: Sep 20, 11 ♂ [Suspended] 		 Nov 12, 11, 17:18    #27
Southern I dont know are you greek or no but I would lile to say I respect greeks not because of they are nationalist or something I respect them anarchist charecter, realy we dont have this , Turkish still worship goverment and religion, I think our minus this of european, but Im not talking stupit arabic spring, they show how they can bring democracy with lynch culture. But I can tell you Im respect greeks how protest all this crisis. Maybe some european angry to me they thing they dont have right because they are lazy,its not correct, all southern country same because hot weather, but yes Turkish are so angry and agrasive but empty onley for flag or other stuation I dont like nationalistic act ,but greeks fights for their rights. realy I congratulate to greek, they changed goverment.
CrowThreads: 367
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Mr Grunwald:
That's for you my dear pro-Russian friend :)

you are pro-Russian. i am pro-Polish. :)

after all, Russian people likes Polish people. Politicians/government/regimes are something else. But look at me... i don`t like Tusk, still i like Poles.
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Joined: Feb 14, 07  Pictures: 1 ♂ [Suspended] 		Edited by: Crow  Nov 12, 11, 18:38    #29
hythorn:
Poles have embraced Turkish culture to the point that you cannot walk 50 metres in any Polish city without coming across a kebab shop :-)

for your information, Turks aren`t inventors of `kebab`.... and, its not `kebab` but `cevap`. `Cevap` is national dish in Serbia.

But, during Ottoman occupation of Serbian lands on Balkan, Turks came in contact with `cevap`. They then spread that kind of dish all were the Near East all the way to Arabic land. Then, Arabs turned Serbian/Slavic `cevap` into the `kebab`. Today, most of experts consider `kebab` to be Arabic national dish.

Now, listen this... even tru name of `cevap` applied on the meat you can understand that we speak about grilled minced meat, prepared in the form of cylinder. Exact Serbian word for Eng. word `cylinder` is `cev`. That`s how you got `cevap`. Cev > Cevap or Cevapcis (meat in the form of cylinder). See? Cevap is Slavic/Serbian national dish not Arabic and especially not Turkish.
rockThreads: 6
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Joined: Jun 13, 08 ♂ 		Edited by: rock  Nov 12, 11, 19:29    #30
In 2014 we are going to celebrate the 600th anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Turkey and Poland.

Here are some links for Turkish Polish relations and friendship.


http://konicki.com/blog2/2009/11/07/interesting-artifact-of-polish-ott oman-turkish-history/

http://www.tccb.gov.tr/speeches-statements/344/80022/speech-delivered- by-he-abdullah-gul-at-natolin-college-of-europe-on-turkeys-vision-with -regard-to-th.html

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/12/poland-friend-of-turkey.html


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