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Edited by: Poznan  Oct 28, 08, 16:00    #1
How do you think it is possible that Jews could live in Poland for such long time without massive expulsions and it wasn't possible in western Europe they were expeled from England, Spain, Germany, France in middle ages and were living in Poland for centuries (much longer than in anny other european country). Without Nazi German invasion we would have big Polish Jewish community to this day.

What was the main factor of this differences.

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 Oct 28, 08, 16:04    #2
Aren't there enough jew-related topics already on this forum?
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:04    #3
Poznan:

Without Nazi German invasion we would have big Polish Jewish community to this day.


And? Do you think the Poles would be happy about that?
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Edited by: Poznan  Oct 28, 08, 16:08    #4
Matyjasz:

Aren't there enough jew-related topics already on this forum?


No it is iteresting because Europe experiments with multiculturalism. In Poland Jews were living for much longer time than in anny other european state.

Nobody looks on (Ormian origin) Herbert as on foreigner. I am going this way ...

...

In western countries they have race riots when they have crisise ... or one idiot stabs another one.
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:19    #5
Poznan:


History of European anti-semitism


Have mercy...
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:21    #6
Bratwurst Boy:

Poles would be happy about that?


Nope.
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Edited by: Bratwurst Boy  Oct 28, 08, 16:22    #7
Poznan:

In Poland Jews were living for much longer time than in anny other european state.


Erm....help me out here please!
They came originally from the ME, right? How did they get to Poland first then?

Germany:

The first authentic document relating to a large and well-organized Jewish community in these regions dates from 321 [3], and refers to Cologne on the Rhine[4] [5] [6]; it indicates that the legal status of the Jews there was the same as elsewhere in the Roman empire. They enjoyed some civil liberties, but were restricted regarding the dissemination of their faith, the keeping of Christian slaves, and the holding of office under the government.


Poland:

The first Jews arrived in the territory of modern Poland in the tenth century. Travelling along the trade routes leading eastwards to Kiev and Bukhara, the Jewish merchants (known as Radhanites) also crossed the areas of Silesia.

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 Oct 28, 08, 16:22    #8
I would be very happy.
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:23    #9
Grzegorz_:

I would be very happy


You lie...
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:24    #10
Bratwurst Boy:

And? Do you think the Poles would be happy about that?

I would be very happy.
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:26    #11
Grzegorz_:

I would be very happy.


Great joy then...they are coming back! :)
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:26    #12
A Poland full of goys.Brrr...
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Edited by: Filios1  Oct 28, 08, 16:27    #13
Poznan:

I would be very happy.



Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:31    #14
Filios1:

You lie...


How did you know that ?
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Edited by: Poznan  Oct 28, 08, 16:32    #15
Filios1:

Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.


There were always idiots like you ;) but somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country not in England not in Spain I don't know German history so good but German jews had tragic end ...
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Edited by: Filios1  Oct 28, 08, 16:32    #16
This is the prevalent attitude of Poles today...



Poznan:

somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country ...



Did you know that a true Polish middle class didn't exist until after WW2?

Poznan:

ut somehow Jews were living for so long time in our country not in England not in Spain I don't know German history so good but German jews had tragic end ...


In addition to sheer geographical issues of England being far away, these countries did not have wide open enonomic and social policies like in Poland, that the Jews quickly took advantage of.
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 Oct 28, 08, 16:36    #17
Filios1:

Poland would have made an excellent area for a new Jewish state.


I suppose Auschwitz would be the proper capital.
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Edited by: Poznan  Oct 28, 08, 16:46    #18
Filios1:

Filios1


You are teenager who live in Greece you shouldn't learn Polish history on youtube. :)
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 Oct 28, 08, 17:04    #19
Are you jewish Poz?
dcb  Oct 28, 08, 17:09    #20
Bratwurst Boy:

Are you jewish Poz?


No I am not :) Why do you ask me ?
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 Oct 28, 08, 17:12    #21
dcb:

No I am not :) Why do you ask me ?


Are you Poznan now? :)
dcb Edited by: dcb  Oct 28, 08, 17:13    #22
Bratwurst Boy:

Are you Poznan now? :)


:) Yes I am in (and) Poznań :)
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 Oct 28, 08, 17:15    #23
Nobody wants the Jews in their lands.(we have to whisper it).
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Edited by: szkotja2007  Oct 28, 08, 17:21    #24
I saw this on the news today - it happened in Vienna.
Just the driver having a laugh or something more sinister ?



Driver says jokingly "Sieg Heil " to passengers, then gets fired.
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Edited by: McCoy  Oct 28, 08, 17:40    #25
what a times, you cant even say jokingly sieg heil in a tram

Bratwurst Boy:

Poland:The first Jews arrived in the territory of modern Poland in the tenth century. Travelling along the trade routes leading eastwards to Kiev and Bukhara, the Jewish merchants (known as Radhanites) also crossed the areas of Silesia.

learn polish and read:
Istnieje jednakże prawdopodobieństwo, iż pierwsi Żydzi pojawili się w dorzeczu Wisły i Odry kilka wieków wcześniej. Otóż, wiek III i IV to okres, kiedy panońscy Żydzi przemierzali jako kupcy handlowy szlak bursztynowy łączący prowincje rzymskie z wybrzeżem Morza Bałtyckiego. Szlak ten przebiegał w pobliżu obecnego Wrocławia, Kalisza, Bydgoszczy i kończył się w Zatoce Gdańskiej.

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 Oct 28, 08, 17:54    #26
McCoy:

learn polish and read:


Of course BB will hurry to learn polish after that.
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 Oct 28, 08, 18:00    #27
southern:

Of course BB will hurry to learn polish after that.


No need to! :)

There is, however, the likelihood that the Jews first appeared in the Vistula and Odra river basin a few centuries earlier. But age III and IV is the period when panońscy Jews as merchants traveled the trade route linking the provinces of the Roman amber from the Baltic Sea coast. This trail run near the current Wroclaw, Kalisz, Bydgoszcz and ended in the Gulf of Gdansk.

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 Oct 28, 08, 18:08    #28
southern:

Of course BB will hurry to learn polish after that.


he even succeed with his 1st translation
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 Oct 28, 08, 18:48    #29
Poznan:

You are teenager who live in Greece you shouldn't learn Polish history on youtube. :)


??
Excuse me? I live in Poland and I'm not a teenager, so please stfu.
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Edited by: joepilsudski  Oct 28, 08, 23:48    #30
<div class="quoting">Poznan:

How do you think it is possible that Jews could live in Poland for such long time without massive expulsions and it wasn't possible in western Europe they were expeled from England, Spain, Germany, France in middle ages and were living in Poland for centuries (much longer than in anny other european country). Without Nazi German invasion we would have big Polish Jewish community to this day.

What was the main factor of this differences.</div>


POSSIBLE REASONS

1) Poles were more tolerant.
2) Polish landowners & 'aristocracy & gentry' found it convenient to use Jews to collect taxes and rents, and do 'accounting & management' work.
3) Many 'Polish' Jews became part of Russia when Poland ceded Eastern lands, formerly part of the Polish-Lithuanian federation to the Czars...This became the famous 'Pale of Settlement' and the seed-bed for Bolshevism.
4) Jews controlled a large part of the liquor making/distribution business, and kept Poles drunk.
5) Since Poland was mainly rural, the Jews kept to their own shtetls, and their wasn't constant friction, like in larger cities/towns in England, France, Germany etc...Problems in these countries came when Jewish merchants & money lenders came into the towns and began to dominate trade & aspects of finance...This caused friction with the larger Christian and native European communities...Poland was more feudal, and it took longer for an embryonic 'middle class' to emerge.

SHTETL


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