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Mar 21, 10, 01:46 #1

Its a sensative subject thats for sure, what are the main reason's for Hitler and Nazi Germany killing so many Jews especially Jews that lived in Poland.

Was it because they flourished in business?

Was it because they had power in central Europe?

Was it because they (so called) murdered Christ?

Was it personal vendetta?

I havent read Mein Kempf yet, if somebody has source for a copy in Poland i'd be happy to research it.

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Mar 21, 10, 01:57 #2

Wroclaw Boy:

Its a sensative subject thats for sure, what are the main reason's for Hitler and Nazi Germany killing so many Jews especially Jews that lived in Poland.

There were so many Jews killed here in Poland because there were so many Jews here.

And rather than bring all those people somewhere else, they just set up the death camps where the people they wanted to kill were.

Wroclaw Boy:

I havent read Mein Kempf yet

Neither have I.
I have a huge backlog of great books to read, that is not one of them.

aphrodisiacThreads: 22 Posts: 3,998 Joined: Apr 15, 09 ♀	Mar 21, 10, 01:58 #3
well, why don't I just go to a Jewish site from here? You sure can research this on the net.

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Mar 21, 10, 02:01 #4

Wroclaw Boy:

Why did Hitler kill so many Jew's in Poland?

Because at that time in Poland there was the biggest community of Jews in Europe. In 19th century it was 1/5 of world's Jewish population. So I guess it was easier to bring all the rest of Jews in Europe to Poland than the other way round. And I think there was something about railway routes - it was convenient as Poland was Germany's neighbour or something.

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 21, 10, 02:04 #5
SeanBM: they just set up the death camps where the people they wanted to kill were. Well the Germans were and are always efficient we know that much, im looking for reason aswell. What is the reason behind millions of killings? There are plenty of American Jews on here, i'd like to hear their points of view.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 02:05 #6
I think it was a combination of the above, WB. It would have been interesting to see his contact with Jews in his early life. He was a snowsweeper and was rejected by the Viennese art school, 2 major things that stuck in his craw. I don't know if any Jews were responsible for either.

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Mar 21, 10, 02:19 #7
didn't he blame the jews for all the world's problems.. plus something of them being the scrounges of the world too..

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 21, 10, 02:40 #8
Hey PLK youre probably bored of this but how are you man? I dont really recall you and i ever chatting or arguing, but i'd like to know whats happening with you. If you dont want to talk about it no probs. With regard to the Jew issue and without reading mein kempf, i dont really know what the hell that guy was thinking it defies belief.

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Edited by: plk123 Mar 21, 10, 02:48 #9

Wroclaw Boy:

Hey PLK youre probably bored of this but how are you man? I dont really recall you and i ever chatting or arguing, but i'd like to know whats happening with you. If you dont want to talk about it no probs.

i'll just have to update the other thread man.. let's not mix me in with hitler here, ok? ;) :D
but definitely thanks 4 asking.

Wroclaw Boy:

i dont really know what the hell that guy was thinking it defies belief.

that has to be the biggest understatement on this bastard ever.. i haven't read his jail rantings either.. may want to just read up w wiki entry on him.. he definitely wasn't stable from early on... iirc he had some jewish blood in him too.. maybe it was some kind of rebelling.. who knows.. it's really hard to wrap one's head around all the different mass butchers of the world.. can you get stalin? saddam? or any other of those countless bastards?

lowfunk99Threads: 18 Posts: 435 Joined: Jan 7, 08 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 03:14 #10
I don't know about him hating Jews when he was younger. I read a bio and it said that he had some Jewish friends when he was younger. Also, when he was living off of his art skills the paintings were sold by Jews.

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Mar 21, 10, 03:41 #11

I can imagine here was a guy severly depressed regarding out side ethnics coming into his stomping ground and being succesfull. I guess he viewed Jews as a nation that didnt share, only kept wealth amongst themeslves.

Perhaps he saw Jews as the detruction of central Europe, a colourless wave of immigration, sweeping through. We talk about radicals all the time are the Jews not radical? They use a fountain pen as apposed to a bomb strapped around their waste, whats the difference?

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Mar 21, 10, 04:05 #12

Wroclaw Boy:

Perhaps he saw Jews as the detruction of central Europe,

Well Adolfs brother ran away from abuse, I highly doubt his father said , well son
since your the only one left, I guess I will skip the spanking/beatings.

For someone to kill the way he did, he must have seen some things, people
can hide behind art, its a way to let out emotions.

my further thoughts go to ( he was possessed).

PS> hello everyone :) miss ya all

Wroclaw BoyThreads: 57 Posts: 5,478 Joined: Jul 3, 09 MEMBER ♂	Mar 21, 10, 04:13 #13
Patrycja19: my further thoughts go to ( he was possessed). I'll go with that, how can one man be so evil?

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Mar 21, 10, 04:22 #14

Patrycja19:

hello everyone :) miss ya all

Hello Patricja, I hope you are well, this place is still a mad house, madder than ever I would say..

Wroclaw Boy:

how can one man be so evil?

Just look at the hateful things post on here.
How willing they are to believe that "They" are bad and "They" are the reason the world is in the shite state of affairs it is in today.
Imagine today's recession was much much worse, where people were starving and see how easy it is to point fingers.
It seems most of the people on this forum think immigrants are the beginning, middle and end of this recession, the banks are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Edited by: Patrycja19 Mar 21, 10, 04:25 #15

Wroclaw Boy:

I'll go with that, how can one man be so evil?

We know theres more then one man out there whos capable of evil

The real question is what triggered his evil
he was talented artist among other things, he seemed to be no different
then anyone else stuggling in those times.

repressed memory? a way of letting out his anger hes kept quiet for so long?

Maybe he was sexually abused by a man who was jewish?

the list goes on and on.

:) Thank you sean

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Mar 21, 10, 04:45 #16

[url=http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Adolf_Hitler#The_early_ years_of_the_Nazi_Party][/url]

Hitler's entry and rise
After the war, Hitler remained in the army, which was mainly engaged in suppressing socialist uprisings breaking out across Germany, including Munich (Bavarian Soviet Republic), where Hitler returned in 1919. He took part in "national thinking" courses organized by the Education and Propaganda Department of the Bavarian Reichswehr Group, Headquarters 4 under Captain Mayr. A key purpose of this group was to create a scapegoat for the outbreak of the war and Germany's defeat. The scapegoats were found in "international Jewry," communists and politicians across the party spectrum, especially the parties of the Weimar Coalition, who were deemed November Criminals.

This gives some vaulable insight

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 04:47 #17
Wroclaw Boy: what are the main reason's for Hitler and Nazi Germany killing so many Jews especially Jews that lived in Poland. The main reason is he wanted more living room for the third Reich and used the jews as an excuse to invade Poland

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Edited by: plk123 Mar 21, 10, 05:00 #18

Czarnkow1940:

The main reason is he wanted more living room for the third Reich and used the jews as an excuse to invade Poland

sure but he could have as well said poles are the scoundrels.. oops he did that too.. there is more to it though..patricja probably has the closest answer but like i said, i think he had jewish blood and there was some other stuff from his childhood that influenced his thinking.. in many ways he wasn't the killer anyway.. it was his helpers.. Goebbels, Hess, Barbie, Heidrich, Himmler, Eichmen... and all the others that really pushed the exterminations..

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Mar 21, 10, 05:16 #19

anti-semitism has been around for thousands of years it seems like they have prevoked
other tribes ( jewish) because they are the chosen people, sparked other religions in
the past to have hostile feelings towards them ( apparently) given this evidence
I think it would be safe to say hitler was more then likely trained to believe or forced
to believe this and the creation of a perfect race could be from suggestions of past
writings

The earliest account of anti-Semitism is to be found in the Book of Esther (third or fourth century B.C.E.) which tells the story of the attempt by Haman to exterminate all the Jews in the Persian Empire under Xerxes. Although this account may not have been historical, it provides evidence that Jews suffered from outbreaks of anti-Semitism in the Persian Empire. Egyptian prejudices against Jews are found in the writings of the Egyptian priest Manetho in the third century B.C.E. who, reacting against the Biblical account of Exodus, claimed the Jews were a leper colony that had been expelled and then taken over Palestine, a land to which they had no claim.[2]

www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Anti-Semitism

plk123:

i think he had jewish blood

I read that too, so heres a man joining the nazi party who blames the jews for
everything, hmmmmmmmm think he might be hiding behind a mask of some sort.

but, I believe its deeper, because his brother was forced to run away at a young
age. cant bring the guy back to life and hang him again, even though that might
be the cure and closure for some.

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Mar 21, 10, 10:30 #20

Patrycja19:

anti-semitism has been around for thousands of years it seems like they have prevoked
other tribes ( jewish) because they are the chosen people, sparked other religions in
the past to have hostile feelings towards them ( apparently) given this evidence I think it would be safe to say hitler was more then likely trained to believe or forced
to believe this and the creation of a perfect race could be from suggestions of past
writings

The worst cut and paste of random thoughts put toghether into an incoherent "sentence."

Hitler wanted to get rid Europe of Jews, and at first there was no mention of killing them. Why? Well, he said they were taking over the culture, economic life, education, etc. and thus destroying indiginous culture. Many people in Europe said this, not only Hitler, and today many people are saying the same in countries where there is a large population of Jews like the US.

Poland had more Jews before the war than any other country in the world except the US. In Warsaw, there were more Jews than in all of Britain and France. As Poland was to be the Reich, there was no room for Jews here. For the first two years of the war there was no mass killing of Jews, and there were efforts to resettle them outside of Europe. Then the killing started.

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 10:33 #21
1jola: As Poland was to be the Reich, there was no room for Jews here. and Poles as well hitler hated poles just as much as jews

FUZZYWICKETSThreads: 12 Posts: 1,999 Joined: Nov 3, 09 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 10:34 #22
when i read Mein Kampf, i expected to get a clear picture as to why, but i didn't. then i read it again, with the same result. there is never a time where he systematically breaks it down for the reader. the entire book is disorganized and for the most part, poorly written. nonetheless, it's a good read.

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Edited by: 1jola Mar 21, 10, 10:39 #23

and Poles as well hitler hated poles just as much as jews

yes, Poland was to be resettled with Germans and the Poles were next on the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

FUZZYWICKETS:

there is never a time where he systematically breaks it down for the reader. the entire book is disorganized and for the most part, poorly written.

It is better described as rantings. Anyone interested in reading it, can read it on-line.

For his plans for Poland and Russia, read book two, chapter 14(I think, from memory).

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Mar 21, 10, 11:26 #24
Wroclaw Boy: I'll go with that, how can one man be so evil? Actually he was not, its very easy to kill on paper, do you know Hitler never saw any mass execution? He never even directly ordered one he had people for that.

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Mar 21, 10, 11:33 #25

Well, that squares it. Saying Hitler was not evil is arguably worse (easily) than saying Putin is a good leader and decent man. I'm not a fan of Putin but, objectively, he knows how to use his power and he knows the game.

Hitler, though not actively involved in the killings, drew up the blueprint. He was filled with hatred and evil from an early age. Putin doesn't speak with the evil venom that he did!

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Edited by: Sokrates Mar 21, 10, 11:37 #26

Seanus:

Well, that squares it. Saying Hitler was not evil is arguably worse (easily)

I actually think he was deganged and mental, evil in my mind requires cold deliberation, being mental makes you sick rather then evil.

Seanus:

than saying Putin is a good leader and decent man.

Putin is a good leader but an evil man, unlike Hitler this guy is coldly rational in murdering people.

Seanus:

Hitler, though not actively involved in the killings, drew up the blueprint.

Yep and he's responsible along with the german nation but i personally put it on some sort of mental ilness rather then rational evil.

Seanus:

Putin doesn't speak with the evil venom that he did!

Which in many ways makes him more dangerous because intelligent people like you can get wrong ideas about what he is and what he's not.

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Edited by: UsefullIdiot Mar 21, 10, 11:49 #27

Outside of why, you should consider how. 12 year old Poles picked up rifles and fought, how is it that 3 million Jews didn't know it was time to do the same? Hitler knew their fifth column syndrome well, and knew they had no loyalty to the Polish state. Thus it was easy to march them in mass to the camps, where they attempted to collectively wait out the fighting, and more importantly the dying portion of the Nazi invasion of Poland.

It's funny that the Jewish Ghetto uprising is so celebrated, which was only a couple hundred Jews faced with life or death, who finally decided to fight. And I heavily emphasize the word "finally", because a 3 million person army to help the war efforts would have been a nice addition, and some would say the right thing to do. But ever the nation within a nation, what can you expect from these people.

Every single Jew I have ever met, hates Poles more than they hate Germans themselves. It's weird too, considering what Poles have done for them both before and after the war. "We own the streets, they own the buildings"... Poles died for those streets honorably, can't say the same for the Jews and their buildings.

king polkagamon	Mar 21, 10, 11:53 #28
Hitler killed so many Jews in Poland because he found them there.Actually one of the reasons of German campaign was to get the Jews residing in Poland.SS could not believe their luck.

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Mar 21, 10, 11:58 #29

That wouldn't stand up in a court of law. Hitler was not insane in his early days in power, he knew what he was doing and it IS evil to plot genocide, whatever way you look at it. Law draws the dichotomy between 'in cold blood' and when riled. Hitler calculated his killings, they weren't on the spur of the moment. The Final Solution implies forethought and malice aforethought is basically the key component of murder (with mens rea). Murder is not evil??????

Coldly rational, please define that as you see it and please provide examples. Thanks!

Diminished responsibility came in the later years, Sok. His fellow officers spotted it, much in the same way as Tory Cabinet members spotted Thatcher being tipped over. Insanity is described in Scotland as 'the total alienation of reason'. In England by the McNaughton rules. Choose your standard and see if Hitler fit the bill. Diminished resposibility merely reduces the sentence but culpability is still there. He knew what he was doing!

I'm aware of the devious nature of Russian politicians though not to your level :) I have to qualify what I say. We need a counterbalance to American hegemony and he provides it, esp in concert with the Shanghai group. Generally, he's just a self-interested man!

Anyway, Hitler. He didn't like the business ethic of Jews. He felt that they were everywhere and had a hand in everything. I surmise that part of his behaviour was exactly because he didn't get his own way, being forced to sweep snow and, more infuriating for him, was rejected entry to art school. It's easy for us to say that he overreacted but he felt passionately about it.

banderiasThreads: 2 Posts: 29 Joined: Feb 10, 10 ♂	Mar 21, 10, 12:04 #30
that reasons are explained in his book named "mein kampf" openly.. if you want, you can find and read..

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