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Apr 13, 07, 23:35 #1

January uprisings of 1863 , one of my possible family members sent to siberia
and I would like to know what or where I would find information on Siberia about
the polish citizens who were sent there.

I think I have to say now, that long before Germany had a hold on Poland, Russia
was doing some of their own dirty work, which I didnt have a clear understanding
about. Reading the names of those who were exiled it has enlighted my thoughts
on agreeing with those who say Russia should owe up!!

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 00:02 #2
let me also refrase this as well, I believe like others who have mentioned this before that Russia's Govt should Apologize and do something to show they are the good nation now after all the crap they put poland thru as well as Germany, what would it hurt to become closer to a nation they had taken so much from?

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 00:06 #3
as if this thread will get a response, because it doesnt have anything to do with just talking, but these people were shipped to SIBERIA!! more then 17,000 actually Whole towns of people!!

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 00:09 #4
"Big boys" like Russia or USA don't apologize. They don't have to. It's ignorant on their part though.

Shawn_H

Apr 14, 07, 00:13 #5

Quoting: Patrycja19

Russia's Govt should Apologize and do something to show they are the good
nation now

I am not really convinced that the government of Russia is as good they would have you believe. If they are assassinating their own journalists today, why would they go out of their way to apologize to the Polish people. I agree that the treatment of people over a century ago was a shame, and repeated again throughout history. Russia has no reason to apologize today.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 00:25 #6
Quoting: hello "Big boys" like Russia or USA don't apologize. How do u figure USA dont? just some examples..

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 00:29 #7
Quoting: Shawn_H government of Russia is as good Well, what I meant to say, was by oweing up, making all good, they do owe Poland something. but i guess its easy to forget. and, hey, BTW hello, USA doesnt take over and keep the land. Russia and Germany Wiped Poland off the map for a while. dont see the USA doing that now do ya?

helloThreads: 37 Posts: 1,104 Joined: Dec 5, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 00:32 #8
Quoting: Patrycja19 just some examples.. Iraq, Afganistan, Cuba. I mean civilian people, not the military regimes of these countries.

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Apr 14, 07, 00:49 #9

Quoting: hello

Iraq, Afganistan, Cuba. I mean civilian people, not the military regimes of these countries.

Yes during war, there is casulties, what about 911? or that dont count?

we didnt come there first, remember that, we were at home, they opened up
on us.

we dont go without good reasons, and we dont shove people in cattle cars
tell them they are going to siberia to be re-educated on communism and
starve them to death while making them work till their death in sub zero
weather now do we????

your argument has no weight.. get back to topic.

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Apr 14, 07, 01:22 #10

i think everyone lost family members in the numerous Polish uprisings

the question remains is were they really worth the blood shed?

Anti Russian uprisings
Confederation of Bar 1768
Kościuszko Uprising 1794
November Uprising 1830-1831
January Uprising 1863-1864
1905 Uprising 1905

Anti Austrian uprisings
Kraków Uprising 1846
Galician Uprising 1846-1848

Greater Poland Uprisings (against Prussians/Germans)
Greater Poland Uprising 1794 - to help the Kościuszko Uprising
Greater Poland Uprising 1806 - to help Napoleon I to liberate Poland and create the Duchy of Warsaw
Greater Poland Uprising 1846 - part of the all-Polish 3-partion uprising
Greater Poland Uprising 1848 - part of the Spring of Nations
Greater Poland Uprising (1918-1919) - Poland regains independence after the World War I

The Silesian Uprisings 1919-1921 against Germany
First Silesian Uprising: 16 August-26 August 1919
Second Silesian Uprising: 19 August-25 August 1920
Third Silesian Uprising: 2 May-5 July 1921

Against Lithuania
Sejny Uprising - August 22-29, 1919, against Lithuania

Polish uprisings during the WW2 era: (against Germans)
Warsaw Ghetto Uprising (the largest of Ghetto Uprisings in Poland) 1943
Operation Tempest, all-national uprising against Germany on the approach of the Soviet army
Warsaw Uprising 1944
Wilno Uprising (Operation Ostra Brama) 1944
Lwów Uprising 1944

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 01:32 #11
Quoting: witek the question remains is were they really worth the blood shed? Witek!! I am surprised at you! for freedom, how can you say they werent worth it. so let them do what they want to a nation of people? just imagine it being you, who is herded on to a train sent to siberia . just because you believed in something.

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Apr 14, 07, 01:45 #12

Patrycja ,

for example what did the Warsaw uprising accomplish? nothing

The Polish troops resisted the German-led forces until October 2 (63 days in total). Losses on the Polish side amounted to 18,000 soldiers killed, 25,000 wounded and over 250,000 civilians killed, mostly in mass executions conducted by advancing German troops. Casualties on the German side amounted to over 17,000 soldiers killed and 9,000 wounded. During the urban combat—and after the end of hostilities, when German forces acting on Hitler's orders burned the city systematically, block after block—an estimated 85% of the city was destroyed.

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Apr 14, 07, 01:48 #13

it was not worth it

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 04:28 #14
Quoting: witek it was not worth it I can't agree.

ppl	Apr 14, 07, 06:56 #15
.wirtualnemuzeum.1944.pierwszedni/index1.

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Apr 14, 07, 10:14 #16

Grzegorz,

why don't you agree?

think

what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish?
1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07 ♂	Edited by: daffy Apr 14, 07, 10:17 #17
better to die free than live a slave perhaps? i prefere sun tzu, live to fight another day - fight the battles you know you can win. wiser. but i appreciate the first sentiment

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 10:49 #18
Quoting: witek why don't you agree? think do you think that nothing would have happened to these people anyway under hitlers orders? he was killing people anyway! starving them, enslaving.. not worth it my arse!!

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 10:51 #19
Who has any rights to take away freedom?

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 11:12 #20
Quoting: witek 1. 250,000 Polish people died 2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler 3. many from AK perished Witek, Before any uprisings hitler was killing, I would go down fighting. as many did you dont sound so proud of your country for doing this. I am so disappointed.

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 11:17 #21
What, no more responses to something that involves history of Poland?

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 11:18 #22
i made my response already

Grzegorz_Threads: 81 Posts: 6,213 Joined: Nov 16, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 11:34 #23
Quoting: witek what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish? 1. 250,000 Polish people died 2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler 3. many from AK perished At least we're not pussies

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Apr 14, 07, 13:10 #24

Quoting: Grzegorz_

Quoting: witek
what did the Warsaw Uprising accomplish?
1. 250,000 Polish people died
2. 90% of Warsaw is destroyed on orders from Hitler
3. many from AK perished

At least we're not pussies

are you saying you'd rather rush into a fight and lose and be happy your not a puss
than plan, prepare, execute a proper rebellion?

Ah i dont think thats true. Im sure you'd want the best plan of rebellion possible for freedom of poland in them days

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 13:15 #25
Quoting: daffy are you saying you'd rather rush into a fight and lose and be happy your not a puss than plan, prepare, execute a proper rebellion? I think they did plan, but they were outnumbered.

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Apr 14, 07, 13:24 #26

Quoting: Patrycja19

I think they did plan,

so would i

Quoting: Patrycja19

but they were outnumbered.

the irish rebels were outnumbered by the British. They won. Im not rubbing it in your face. Just saying being outnumbered is not the excuse.

It can be plans they made were not as good, or the enemy had better plans etc. Being outnumbered is not the hinge the door swings on (if you get me there)

Patrycja19Threads: 79 Posts: 3,974 Joined: Oct 31, 06 ♀	Apr 14, 07, 13:29 #27
Quoting: Patrycja19 where I would find information on Siberia Still hoping someone can tell me a link on those Prisoners who were exiled I would think theres a site on this.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 13:31 #28
freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~koby/political/chapter_19/19_18 63up.html dont know if this helps

MatyjaszThreads: 2 Posts: 1,786 Joined: Jul 20, 06 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 13:54 #29
Quoting: daffy the irish rebels were outnumbered by the British. They won. Im not rubbing it in your face. Just saying being outnumbered is not the excuse. But it's always a serious disadvantage.

daffyThreads: 40 Posts: 2,119 Joined: Feb 5, 07 ♂	Apr 14, 07, 13:58 #30
Quoting: Matyjasz But it's always a serious disadvantage. oh but of course im not saying that - im saying its not reason to claim defeat only

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