Jaruzelski; no patriot, just communist scum

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Edited by: Polonia1 Nov 26, 10, 06:36 #1

This thread is in response to some members here like Hary, Delph and Torq, who love to glorify the former dictator and political criminal General Jaruzelski, and who hold him up as a "Polish patriot" and saviour

This is an extract from Radek Sikorski's book, The Polish House

"As a minister of defense he had directed the Polish contingent in the invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 and carried out the order for the bloody suppresion of the worker's revolts in Gdansk in 1970. He ended up imposing martial law in 1981 and imprisoning thousands of Solidarity activists and dissdents. Jaruzelski was a latter-day janissary, but had not yet admitted it to himself"

"He was a political criminal, guilty of helping the Soviets control Poland. His last chance to vindicate himself was after he had imposed martial law. Holding absoltue power, he could have introduced bold masrket reforms and Poland might have entered the post-communist period better prepared. Instead, he clung to power until the country went bust. He addmitted to a bad conscience when he ordered the destruction of the politburo transcripts from 1980s.

(here is my favourite extract) "Some of our leading intellectuals may have been taken in by his charm but history is likely to agree with a peasant who met Jaruzelski a few months after me. His farm had been ruined by Jaruzelski's commissars in 1980s. Despairing of the dictator ever being brought to justice, he stalked the general to a book signing ceremony a put a brick in his face"

and a final note to Harry, You should get off Polish forums and stop writing your ignorant remarks. Your not Polish and know nothing about Polish history, or the people.....which you claim to do, yet you sit on your arse in from of a computer the whole day, one wonders how you became an expert on all things Polish

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Nov 26, 10, 07:00 #2

@Mods

Please move the half-wit's post to the already existing thread, thank you.

He lost the argument in another thread and, "in response" to it, started a new one with
exactly the same nonsense. That's nothing short of trolling, and it wouldn't hurt to "reward"
the troll with an extended period of suspension from the forum.

The suspension would give him more time for practising Polish folk dances and less time
for spouting nonsense, benefitting both the Polish dance ensemble and Polish Forums.
Win win situation, really.

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: Polonia1 Nov 26, 10, 07:09 #3
@Mods There is nothing wrong with my thread. I would recommend suspending this bitter idiot for abuse on previous threads, he obviously cnt win the argument on face value so reverts to general abuse. I would ask the mods to read my thread and leave it as it is. and Torq maybe you should take another prolonged break form PF, for about 10 years or so

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 07:18 #4
This thread is more appropriate when discussing Jaruzelski than that fan club of yours Torq. You need some basic education about th general. Here is a good start (documentary in Polish): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCR_H9Bl2Cc Towarzysz Generał

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: Polonia1 Nov 26, 10, 07:25 #5
1jola: Here is a good start (documentary in Polish) brilliant find, I especially like the early comments of "how can you can someone a patriot when he prolongs the suffering of people". particularly relevent to this thread

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Edited by: Torq Nov 26, 10, 07:25 #6

Polonia1:

There is nothing wrong with my thread.

Yes, there is. You started a new thread instead of responding to our posts in the already
exisitng one, after you pathetically lost the argument there and was exposed for who you
really are: a sickf*ck who called my grandmother, Polish teacher who survived German
concentration camp and taught Polish kids after the war, "scum that was left behind after
all the purges."

Komorowski invited Jaruzelski to the national security council meeting... - page 3

I will leave it for moderators to decide if calling such person as you "a sickf*ck" is indeed
out of order and inaccurate.

Oh, and one more thing, mongoloid - stop pretending to be Góral. My entire family comes
from Wadowice and Nowy Targ areas and the overwhelming majority of them still lives there,
as they always did, working for Poland and making our country a better one every day:
they are real Górals (as opposed to plastic Poles like you or those who ran away like cowards
to better life and money, like cheap prostitutes and now pretend to be "persecuted freedom
fighters"... how pathetic.)

1jola:

Towarzysz Generał

You think I didn't watch this? I also watched some Nazi propaganda movies from WW2
(and didn't believe them either.)

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Edited by: Polonia1 Nov 26, 10, 07:32 #7

Torq:

Wadowice and Nowy Targ

LOL yeah right, those are the one who like to pretend they're gorals, and are a running joke among the real thing, also clearly you have no idea how much highlanders move overseas for business. Also the govt I should have felt so obliged to stay and help stole our land without compensation in dolina chocholowska

Torq:

"scum that was left behind after
all the purges."

thats bullshit I never reffered to you r grandmother directly and you know it. I was referring to your intellect

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 07:36 #8
Maybe you have heard too many stories from your dad's MILICJA days. Which statements in the film are untrue that you liken it to Nazi propaganda? You seem too upset at the moment so take a break and watch the film again about your favorite Soviet patriot.

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Edited by: Torq Nov 26, 10, 07:38 #9

Polonia1:

LOL yeah right, those are the one who like to pretend they're gorals

LOL

I would like to see you coming to Poland and saying that to their faces :)

Polonia1:

also clearly you have no idea how much highlanders move overseas for business

Oh, I know it all too well - however, the real ones save money, build houses here
and eventually come back. The ones for whom the taste of money is sweeter than
their fatherland stay abroad (and have children who later come to internet forums
and lecture real Górals on being patriotic :))

Polonia1:

I never reffered to you r grandmother directly and you know it

It's a logical implication of what you have written earlier, but I guess I shouldn't be talking
about logic to a man who is blinded by his hatred and paranoia.

Now, go and start another thread in response to this one.

1jola:

Maybe you have heard too many stories from your dad's MILICJA days.

Yes - my dad served in MILICJA (drogówka, road police) and later as a senior lecturer of Traffic
Law and Mechanics in POLICJA academy. He left service, for which he was rewarded both during
socialist times and after 1989 during Solidarity reign, only a couple of years ago and was
never a member of any political party. He got a good look from a very close perspective on
everyhing that was happening in Poland in the last 30 years and after all those years he can
go anywhere in our city and everywhere he is liked and respected, regardless of people's
political afilliations. That's what people blinded by hatred, like Polonia1, can't understand.

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Nov 26, 10, 07:47 #10

Torq:

however, the real ones save money, build houses here
and eventually come back. The ones for whom the taste of money is sweeter than
their fatherland stay abroad (and have children who later come to internet forums
and lecture real Górals on being patriotic :))

I have very valuable land in the highlands, and in fact am planing to return. And dnt get offended but your a ceper not a goral

Torq:

I would like to see you coming to Poland and saying that to their faces :)

I try to stay away from the lowland folk

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 26, 10, 07:50 #11
Polonia1: And dnt get offended but your a ceper not a goral Said a plastic Pole to a Góral z dziada pradziada :) You want to see a ceper - look in the mirror :) Polonia1: I try to stay away from the lowland folk Oh, so you live in Australia's highlands and try to stay away from Australian lowland folk - good for you :)

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Nov 26, 10, 08:00 #12

1jola:

You seem too upset at the moment so take a break and watch the film again about your favorite Soviet patriot.

Always good for a laugh to see a traitor complaining that a man who fought for Poland is not a patriot. But I guess it must burn a bit inside for you to remember that while Jaruzelski fought for Poland, you volunteered for an organisation that was ready to commit mass murder of Poles just as soon as the order was issued.

Torq:

you pathetically lost the argument there

He did indeed lose it but lost so amusingly that we can forgive him. His parting shot there to me, "if I have no debating skills then answer me this question....why are you so gay?" will doubtless be making me giggle like a schoolgirl for months to come!

Polonia1:

your a ceper not a goral

And you, my fine friend, are a plastic Pole and as gorale as Ghana.

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 08:03 #13
Torq: Góral z dziada z dziada....lol you got that right

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 26, 10, 08:05 #14
Polonia1: z dziada....lol you got that right Apparently, your Polish is so basic that you don't recognize a simple Polish saying like "z dziada, pradziada." Typical for plastic Poles.

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Edited by: Polonia1 Nov 26, 10, 08:09 #15
Torq: Apparently, your Polish is so basic that you don't recognize a simple Polish saying like "z dziada, pradziada." Typical for plastic Poles. pffft ahaha , shows what a highlander you are! dziada means (at least in gwara) a nobody/pathetic Anyway stick to the argument people i know you clearly lost it, but 'com now. And Harry you name is unoriginal and ur a twat

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Edited by: Torq Nov 26, 10, 08:14 #16

Polonia1:

dziada means (at least in gwara) a nobody/pathetic

Not "dziada", but "dziad" (it's a masculine noun, not feminine) and in the saying "z dziada,
pradziada" it means simply 'a grandfather'. Also the pejorative meaning of the noun 'dziad',
which can also mean someone destitute, is widespread in general, standard Polish and is not
a typical gwara word. I'm not surprised you don't know any of it, you're a plastic Pole and
a ceper, so there.

Torq:

Anyway stick to the argument people

Why? So you can start a new thread when you lose the argument AGAIN? :)

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Edited by: Harry Nov 26, 10, 08:14 #17

Torq:

Apparently, your Polish is so basic that you don't recognize a simple Polish saying like "z dziada, pradziada." Typical for plastic Poles.

It's more that the bloke is an utter cretin than a typical plastic Pole. Although he is most certainly an archetypal plastic Pole.

It does somewhat boggle the mind how much of a tosser the Aussie must be that two people as opposite as you and I both agree that he's a tosser!

Polonia1Threads: 6 Posts: 90 Joined: Oct 21, 10 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 08:17 #18
Harry: It does somewhat boggle the mind how much of a tosser the Aussie must be that two people as opposite as you and I both agree that he's a tosser! Mods....I think a suspension is in order

TorqThreads: 65 Posts: 4,024 Joined: Apr 10, 09 MEMBER ♂	Nov 26, 10, 08:18 #19
Harry: It does somewhat boggle the mind how much of a tosser the Aussie must be that two people as opposite as you and I both agree that he's a tosser! That's true. I never thought I would say that, but, when I think about it, you're more Polish than that Australian half-wit, pretending to be a Góral (which he can't even spell properly with "ó" :))

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 26, 10, 08:20 #20
Polonia1: Mods....I think a suspension is in order Good to see that three people as different as you, Torq and I are now entirely agreement that you need to be suspended for insulting people and starting a thread clearly aimed at trolling. You can practice your folk dancing for a few days.

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Edited by: asik Nov 26, 10, 08:52 #21

Harry:

Good to see that three people as different as you, Torq and I are now entirely agreement that you need to be suspended for insulting people and starting a thread clearly aimed at trolling. You can practice your folk dancing for a few days.

What a moron!!!
An old pri..ck sytisfying his sick nature by abusing young man of Polish origin. Are you enough aroused now???

If not, you'll be sytisfied to the full "Harry the tosser" after this fact.

Your hero, doggie Jaruzelski is the only one responsible for the attack on Czechoslovakia in 1968 by Polish army. It was his order for Polish army to join other allies (soviets &friends) and attack!

But wait your friend Jaruzelski already said "I'm sorry! " to Czechs, why then you complain every second post???

Can you see how stupid you look now, Harry? Your hero Jaruzelski ordering to attack your favourite (Czech) country. Every child in Poland knows these facts!!!
Look on the internet for the material and , again educate yourself on Polish history
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From some newspaper:
http://wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,53621,2697217.html
"Oburzony tym jest prezydent Czech, dla którego Jaruzelski pozostaje symbolem inwazji 1968 roku....
It says, that
"...for the president of Czech, Jaruzelski is a symbol of 1968 invasion..."

If you knew Polish history, just a little bit you wouldn't make yourself such a fool!!!!
Mr Harry the tosser!

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Nov 26, 10, 09:19 #22

asik:

Can you see how stupid you look now, Harry? Your hero Jaruzelski ordering to attack your favourite (Czech) country. Every child in Poland knows these facts!!!
Look on the internet for the material and , again educate yourself on Polish history

Wow! Really? You mean that Jaruzelski was not well liked in Czechoslovakia? Which would mean that it's pretty unlikely that Czech army officers would lie just to help Jaruzelski.

Well, given that the majority of the reports we have about the planned Warsaw Pact invasion of Poland come from Czech army officers (whose reports are entirely supported by documents from East German archives), that simply adds to the credence which we can give to the fact that a Soviet invasion was indeed planned and that Jaruzelski saved Poland from it. Just as I have long maintained.

Thank you so much for the history lesson.

1jolaThreads: 33 Posts: 2,737 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 09:21 #23
Harry's job here is not easy. He sometimes finds himself in this strange position: "How do I defend the invasion order giver and accuse "Poland" of invasion at the same time? How can I incorporate Bereza Kartuska into this? Arrgh!! Maybe Delph will come along and help the poor sap.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	Nov 26, 10, 09:28 #24
1jola: Harry's job here is not easy. Although my job can never be as hard as 1Jola's: he has the unenviable task of trying to portray himself as a Polish patriot when he is really a Polish traitor. He has to constantly whine about people who fought for Poland when he himself was ready to murder Poles anytime his Yankee bosses told him to. Fortunately he can always blame the Jews for everything.

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Edited by: asik Nov 26, 10, 09:31 #25

Torq:

That's true. I never thought I would say that, but, when I think about it, you're more Polish
than that Australian half-wit, pretending to be a Góral (which he can't even spell properly
with "ó" :))

"Turku" what is your problem??
A real Pole knows what and who's goral!!! there is no need to use Polish symbols when on foreign forums!!! Didn't they tell you this in school??

Are you sure your father former "milicja" didn't belong to commies??? I can't believe in your
bull..t
... it was impossible to have a career in Poland in the '80 when you were not a member of PZPR (commies) you could work but without a prospects of nice awards, like to work on managerial or supervising positions.

Just to add many "milicja" members were additionaly recruited to work secretly for the SB (secret service). Milicja from drogowka were similarly bad as the other members of this force. They all were hated by the people.
After the 1989 it was impossible to get rid of all the staff and commies, it took time or some milicja memebers were never lustrated.

So, don't play a hero "Turku"!!
At least now I understand why you show so much love for Jaruzelski .

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Nov 26, 10, 09:46 #26

asik:

... it was impossible to have a career in Poland in the '80 when you were not a member of PZPR (commies) you could work but without a prospects of nice awards, like to work on managerial or supervising positions.

That just goes to show how little you know about Poland in the 70s and 80s. I personally know men who were senior officers in the Milicja or the merchant Navy then and they most certainly were not in the party. Looks like you are yet another ignorant plastic Pole Aussie!

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Nov 26, 10, 09:59 #27

Harry:

Well, given that the majority of the reports we have about the planned Warsaw Pact invasion of Poland come from Czech army officers (whose reports are entirely supported by documents from East German archives), that simply adds to the credence which we can give to the fact that a Soviet invasion was indeed planned and that Jaruzelski saved Poland from it. Just as I have long maintained.

You know nothing and it's not a surprise that every commie is saving his ass like Jaruzelski and telling lies.
Czech were happy to join soviets and attack, that's true (no one in Poland cared what they do) but the possible invasion was like a fairy tale just to save commies like Jaruzelski, asses.

Polish people were hungry (all food went to russia) and ready for anything!!!!! That's why soviets were afraid to attack, it wasn't the year 1945 anymore. Everyone in Poland except the commies in forces like milicja, were ready to fight, including Polish army forces (it was secret but somehow everyone knew it).

The end. I don't like to discuss anything with you.

hague1cmaeronThreads: 21 Posts: 1,652 Joined: Mar 30, 10 ♂	Nov 26, 10, 10:05 #28
If this is what happens when Torq and Harry have their love (ugly stuff) I would rather see them hating each other.

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Nov 26, 10, 10:11 #29

asik:

the possible invasion was like a fairy tale just to save commies like Jaruzelski, asses.

A 'fairy tale' which Czech army officers (who are known to have no liking for Jaruzelski, for reasons which you were kind enough to make very clear above) to this day maintain. And which is supported by documentation from East German archives.

Even for a plastic Pole Aussie, your knowledge of modern Polish history really is shocking.

asikThreads: 2 Posts: 547 Joined: Feb 17, 09 ♀	Edited by: asik Nov 26, 10, 10:34 #30
Harry: Even for a plastic Pole Aussie, your knowledge of modern Polish history really is shocking. Harry the tosser!!! The plastic, looks like you have.. but in place where your brain should be!

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