Jewish newly discovered love for Poland after 2004

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May 28, 11, 01:32 #1

You might wonder: what happend in that magical year 2004?
Poland joined the European Union.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:hieT1VwUyu8J:www. haaretz.co.il/hasite/objects/pages/PrintArticle.jhtml

Olomutski, 59, an engineer who is an expert in water desalination, immigrated to Israel in 1957. His mother fled to Russia in the Second World War and his father was sent to a ghetto near Sobibor. The families on both sides were murdered. Olomutski had a love-hate attitude toward his old homeland: attraction and repulsion. Until Poland joined the EU.
My parents never talked about what happened in the Holocaust, but I was never thrilled by the Poles," he says. "I have residual feelings. I said they could go to hell. But then a friend told me he had received citizenship and I heard that a lot of people were doing it. I asked myself what it would be good for, and then my wife got on my case. I have a daughter who graduated as a landscape architect from the Technion, and my wife said, 'Give her the option of studying at the Sorbonne.' For my daughter and my son - an engineer in high-tech, where they send people to work in different parts of the world - and also in order not to have to stand in line to get your passport checked. It's petty, I know.

Zvi Tsauzemer, 58, a bus driver for the Merkaz Sapir Regional Council in the Arava desert, was born in Lodz and immigrated to Israel in 1957. He wanted a Polish passport mainly for convenience and partly because of fraternal envy. "A few years ago, I went on a trip to Poland and Germany with my brother. When we entered Germany, my brother showed his Polish passport and was told to go through. When they saw my Israeli passport, they told me to wait by the side. I felt the way Arabs feel in Israel and I went to Charsky.

Ruth Gendler, 63, from Kiryat Ono, who was born in Szczecin, wanted Polish passports for her children, in particular for a daughter who lives in Europe and has to pay a residency fee because she does not have an EU passport.

There was also a movie, about some young Argentinian Jew - he kept nagging his grandmother, who was born in Poland, about her Polish passport, so that he could apply for one too and travel freely across Europe. In that movie she kept repeating she hated Poland, no reason given, and that was basically all they said about Poland.

Well, what can I say, the Jews did it again. Is there some psychological term that describes how a victim (a Jew) is constantly drawn towards his oppressor (Poland)?
Poland must be extremely happy to gain such citizens!

Zman	May 28, 11, 02:11 #2
Crap... Jews have been part of our country for ages and they have any right to claim citizenship if they can legally prove it! I as a pole do not have any objections to what some of them do in that respect. '

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May 28, 11, 02:15 #3

RobertLee:

Well, what can I say, the Jews did it again. Is there some psychological term that describes how a victim (a Jew) is constantly drawn towards his oppressor (Poland)?
Poland must be extremely happy to gain such citizens!

I kinda get what you're sayin'. But I say bring the Jews back! They are good for business which is good for the economy. They know finance. There should be a department in Warsaw specially devoted to recruiting Jews to come home.

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May 28, 11, 02:45 #4

Zman:

ews have been part of our country for ages and they have any right to claim citizenship if they can legally prove it! I as a pole do not have any objections to what some of them do in that respect.

So you are of the opinion that a citizenship is like any other document, say a free pass to the gym, that you can just buy? Then why not sell it? I'm sure there are many folks who would pay to become citizens of a random country that belongs to the EU. The money would definitely help Poland's budget problems.
The small glitch here is that the Jews that got the Polish citzenship in the best case don't give a damn about Poland, don't ever plan to learn Polish or anything about Poland. In the more realistic case, they have hostile, prejudiced attitude towards Poland and are ashamed to admit to their neighbours in Israel that they hold a Polish citizenship. Polish passport is for them only a trampoline to the goodness of the EU, in some cases at the expense of people who actually feel Polish. There was a bunch of comments under the article that proved just that but for some reason Haaretz cleaned its archives. To be fair, some Jews themselves described this behaviour of their compatriots as hypocrytical and immoral.

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May 28, 11, 03:15 #5

RobertLee:

So you are of the opinion that a citizenship is like any other document, say a free pass to the gym, that you can just buy? Then why not sell it? I'm sure there are many folks who would pay to become citizens of a random country that belongs to the EU. The money would definitely help Poland's budget problems.
The small glitch here is that the Jews that got the Polish citzenship in the best case don't give a damn about Poland, don't ever plan to learn Polish or anything about Poland. In the more realistic case, they have hostile, prejudiced attitude towards Poland and are ashamed to admit to their neighbours in Israel that they hold a Polish citizenship. Polish passport is for them only a trampoline to the goodness of the EU, in some cases at the expense of people who actually feel Polish. There was a bunch of comments under the article that proved just that but for some reason Haaretz cleaned its archives. To be fair, some Jews themselves described this behaviour of their compatriots as hypocrytical and immoral.

If I understood your post correctly, it was the elders who hold Poland/Poles in contempt but the younger generation might be salvagable ie not nearly as prejudiced. I strongly feel if Poland can attract the younger Jewish generations back to Poland it would be nothing but bonus times for Poland.

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May 28, 11, 03:26 #6

rybnik:

If I understood your post correctly, it was the elders who hold Poland/Poles in contempt but the younger generation might be salvagable ie not nearly as prejudiced. I strongly feel if Poland can attract the younger Jewish generations back to Poland it would be nothing but bonus times for Poland.

I wouldn't mind some Israeli girls in Poland (the tanned ones, not the pale) as long as they weren't as prejudiced as the one from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu6t9YmHvT4
However you did misunderstand: they have no intention of coming to Poland nor rediscovering their connection with Poland or anything like that. They only want a passport of country that is a member of the EU.

rybnikThreads: 29 Posts: 1,232 Joined: Jan 16, 11 ♂	May 28, 11, 03:30 #7
RobertLee: However you did misunderstand: they have no intention of coming to Poland nor rediscovering their connection with Poland or anything like that. They only want a passport of country that is a member of the EU. In that case, it's unfortnate.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 09:18 #8
RobertLee: They only want a passport of country that is a member of the EU. That is their right as citizens of this wonderful country. The only people who have problems with that are racist plastic Pole scum in America (like you) and racist Zionist scum in Israel.

PalivecThreads: - Posts: 333 Joined: Apr 22, 11 ♂	May 28, 11, 09:49 #9
RobertLee: Well, what can I say, the Jews did it again. Is there some psychological term that describes how a victim (a Jew) is constantly drawn towards his oppressor (Poland)? Poland must be extremely happy to gain such citizens! Interestingly you sound like a victim too, exploited by evil Jews.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 10:11 #10
rybnik: I kinda get what you're sayin'. But I say bring the Jews back! They are good for business which is good for the economy. They know finance. There should be a department in Warsaw specially devoted to recruiting Jews to come home. Given that you're living in USA you have no say in that and i say lets not bring Jews back, they were only trouble for Poland, always.

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May 28, 11, 12:51 #11

RobertLee:

Well, what can I say, the Jews did it again. Is there some psychological term that describes how a victim (a Jew) is constantly drawn towards his oppressor (Poland)?

We are victims here on this forum as most of us are not Poles as we are drawn here? or, we are oppressors searching victims? Psychoillogical term that may describe our stiuation better. Jews visiting Poland are maybe more useful than non-Jews visiting Poland, ever thought this?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 12:55 #12
NomadatNet: Jews visiting Poland are maybe more useful than non-Jews visiting Poland, ever thought this? Useful in what way? They hate Poles.

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Edited by: NomadatNet May 28, 11, 13:06 #13

Sokrates:

Useful in what way? They hate Poles.

Love and hate are irrelevant to business and work.

Loves of someones can be more harmful than hates of someones elses.

There are many soldiers from different countries in Poland now. They were Russians before. Were/are their loves useful? At least, Jews are coming to Poland for business and work and that is useful for indiviuals in Poland. This is real love.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 13:09 #14
NomadatNet: Love and hate are irrelevant to business and work. They've very relevant if said people are to live in your country, the vast majority of Jews hate Poland and i as a Pole living here have no wish to see the come here to work or live, ever.

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 28, 11, 13:09 #15
Nomad, how do you know that? Where is your proof? As much as this may disappoint some people, Jews are just not a big group here at all. Their time has been and gone.

KoalaThreads: 1 Posts: 433 Joined: May 4, 11 ♂	Edited by: Koala May 28, 11, 13:13 #16
NomadatNet: There are many soldiers from different countries in Poland now. What? Maybe as tourists LOL Seanus: Nomad, how do you know that? Where is your proof? As much as this may disappoint some people, Jews are just not a big group here at all. Their time has been and gone. Yeah, more or less 15k IIRC. edit: 30-50k according to wikipedia

SeanusThreads: 22 Posts: 30,158 Joined: Dec 25, 07 ♂	May 28, 11, 13:16 #17
Let's assume it was 'love'. Currying favour would ultimately lead to an attempt to get old property back. That is the underlying rationale for cosying up.

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May 28, 11, 13:19 #18

Sokrates:

They've very relevant if said people are to live in your country, the vast majority of Jews hate Poland and i as a Pole living here have no wish to see the come here to work or live, ever.

When you relate love & hate to money work, relations become something like prostitution. Jews are not in such a relation, but, your other so-called loves are in.. with Poland. (you can see this even in many threads here on this forum.)

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Edited by: Sokrates May 28, 11, 13:23 #19

NomadatNet:

When you relate love & hate to money work, relations become something like prostitution.

Again to a point, we're talking about Jews who hate me and get power in my country, i dont want people who hate me for being Polish to even live in Poland, let alone do business in Poland.

NomadatNet:

Jews are not in such a relation, but, your other so-called loves are in.. with Poland. (you can see this even in many threads here on this forum.)

Neither German-Polish nor Russian-Polish relations are based on hatred, there's been a lot of bad blood but there's no hatred.

Jews are beyond redemption here, not only these f*ckers hate me and my nation but they demand money and submission, ready to fabricate any lie, reach any low, to equate Poland to Nazi Germany and more, i dont want people like this in my country, they can f*ck off.

Seanus:

Let's assume it was 'love'. Currying favour would ultimately lead to an attempt to get old property back. That is the underlying rationale for cosying up.

Absolutely, the only reason Jews would pretend to "like" Poles is to rob us blind when we let our guard down, there's already attempts by american jewry to extort money from us for no less than the fact that we're Poles.

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May 28, 11, 13:28 #20

RobertLee:

The small glitch here is that the Jews that got the Polish citzenship in the best case don't give a damn about Poland, don't ever plan to learn Polish or anything about Poland.

That's exactly the same as most Polish Americans.

And if those Dumb Polacks can have citizenship, so can the Jews.

Personally, I'm of the view that none of them should get citizenship. Don't speak Polish? No passport for you - unless you speak one of the national minority languages instead.

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May 28, 11, 13:29 #21

JonnyM:

Palivec:
You poor victim.

Nah, jut a racist nutter.

Him or the Jews?
Jews spread lies, contempt and hate towards Poland in every possible media. Never apologised for any wrongdoings towards Poles. Never been grateful to Poland for hosting them. Never tried to understand what Poles went through - they are only capable of judging Poles based on how did they enjoy living here. Or actually, they never enjoyed it here, they just stayed in Poland cause Polish antisemites locked them in in that terrible country.
So what should Poles do? Invite them in again? Sure, thanks for the advice.
Seriously, if Poland was about to hand Polish passports away, I say they rather give them to the poor Hindu who frequent this forums and are at least neutral towards Poland.
But who the f**k are you to tell Poles whom should they invite?

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 13:30 #22
delphiandomine: That's exactly the same as most Polish Americans. Thats a lie, most Polish Americans are patriots to a point that it sickens Poles in Poland. delphiandomine: And if those Dumb Polacks can have citizenship, so can the Jews. Wish i ever met you and you called me a Dumb Polack, you'd get a lecture of your lifetime:)

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Edited by: NomadatNet May 28, 11, 13:34 #23

Sokrates:

Again to a point, we're talking about Jews who hate me and get power in my country, i dont want people who hate me for being Polish to even live in Poland, let alone do business in Poland.

but, it is not only about Jews. You don't want Indians doing business in Poland either, neither Africans, nor Turks, etc..

You just want someones to protect you. Sometimes, it is Russians, sometimes, it is Germans, sometimes it is Brits. They are protecting you for free? That's the question. If you remember the history, Austria-Germans who your king Sobieski helped during Vien war 500 years ago divided Poland after Vien was saved.

HarryThreads: 62 Posts: 8,508 Joined: May 2, 07 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 13:37 #24
Sokrates: Again to a point, we're talking about Jews who hate me and get power in my country, i dont want people who hate me for being Polish to even live in Poland, let alone do business in Poland. They don't hate you because you're Polish, they hate you because you're a racist coward who pretends to be Polish.

delphiandomineThreads: 42 Posts: 9,954 Joined: Nov 25, 08 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 13:38 #25
RobertLee: But who the fk are you to tell Poles whom should they invite? Who the ** are you to tell Poles who to give citizenship to? If you respect the Polish state, then you respect the law.

KoalaThreads: 1 Posts: 433 Joined: May 4, 11 ♂	May 28, 11, 13:46 #26
I wonder why Jews hate Poland anyway. It's much more of aland of their ancestors than the current Israel is, LOL.

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Edited by: NomadatNet May 28, 11, 13:47 #27

Seanus:

Nomad, how do you know that? Where is your proof? As much as this may disappoint some people, Jews are just not a big group here at all. Their time has been and gone.

What how I do know? What proof?
Jews have never been a big group anywhere for 2000 years. If you are seeing about 10 million of people in 1 billion of people in the West, then, you have eye problem. Their time has been and gone, but, this time is a globalizing world time.

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May 28, 11, 13:54 #28

NomadatNet:

but, it is not only about Jews. You don't want Indians doing business in Poland either, neither Africans, nor Turks, etc..

Yep but for different reasons and this thread is about Jews, Jews are people who want to steal from my country and hate my peoples guts so no i dont want them here, ever.

When they were in Poland not only did they not contribute to my country in any way but they betrayed it repeatedly so their history in Poland aint rosy either, there's just too many cons to having Jews in Poland to want them back.

Koala:

I wonder why Jews hate Poland anyway. It's much more of aland of their ancestors than the current Israel is, LOL.

Mainly because american jews did nothing to save their brethren in Europe and now attempt to alleviate guilt by pushing it towards Poland, israeli Jews roll with it because they choose their people even if they lie over the truth.

KoalaThreads: 1 Posts: 433 Joined: May 4, 11 ♂	May 28, 11, 13:55 #29
NomadatNet: What how I do know? What proof? Jews have never been a big group anywhere for 2000 years. There were over 3M Jews in Poland pre-WW2 (~10% of the population). Add the fact that they were concentrated in cities and obviously you should consider them a big group.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	May 28, 11, 13:57 #30
Koala: There were over 3M Jews in Poland pre-WW2 (~10% of the population). Add the fact that they were concentrated in cities and obviously you should consider them a big group. Also there have been very large groups in Germany and Russia.

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