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Why are Jews pestering Poland for "proper" WW2 monetary restitution/reparations?


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 Jan 27, 12, 14:49    #331
Lyzko:
Why stoop to the other bloke's levelLOL

There's a lot of truth in that.

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 Jan 27, 12, 15:14    #332
Harry:
And if one isn't fine with it, one needs to recognise that the USA is even more of an illegitimate state than Israel is.

And?
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 Jan 27, 12, 15:33    #333
And perhaps get one's own house in order before telling other people what its wrong with theirs?
Lyzko Edited by: Moderator  Jan 27, 12, 17:06    #334
I agree,Harry! Houses in general, or one person's in particular?
:-)



Stick to the original topic. Do not write in Polish, Lyzko that is your last warning.
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 Jan 27, 12, 17:57    #335
Harry:
And perhaps get one's own house in order before telling other people what its wrong with theirs?

Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?
Besides where would you suggest present day Americans go? Back to Europe? Back to Africa? Back to Asia?
What has that got to do with those citing the disparity in logic applied to supporting the Jewish takeover of Palestine while similarly supporting "giving back" to Jews what was once taken?
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 Jan 27, 12, 18:17    #336
" Who's telling anyone what to do with their house?"
I didn't mean that literally.

However, I do find it amusing that people who think that Jews are acting disgracefully by asking for compensation for the property they lost to the Polish state also think that Jews are acting disgracefully by refusing to return land to Palestinians.
Lyzko  Jan 27, 12, 19:05    #337
I do too!

Really, what the nay-sayers are doing is classic projection; they project onto the Jews the awful qualities they the anti-semites themselves possess such as anger, viciousness etc...
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 Jan 27, 12, 19:05    #338
^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?"
07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 19:45    #339
Lyzko:
I do too!

Really, what the nay-sayers are doing is classic projection; they project onto the Jews the awful qualities they the anti-semites themselves possess such as anger, viciousness etc.

So,what did you lose and demand to be "returned" to you?As a guest i can not post links but yesterday I read an interview with prof.Finkelstain who's familiy actually lost property in Poland and who could be demanding compensation yet he doesn't and says he is not going too.In this interview he also calls Jewish Congress and Jews like you crooks and thieves and he is right.Bottom line is if you lost something in Poland go there and demand compensation in a court and if didn't just f u c k off.
Lyzko  Jan 27, 12, 19:52    #340
I lost nothing. I speak on behalf of those who did.
07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 20:03    #341
Lyzko:
I lost nothing. I speak on behalf of those who did.

Did they gave you any rights to do so?Prof.Finkelstain says he does not want anybody,Jews or non Jews to speak on behalf of him and his rights to compensation.Also before the war my grandfather but also many more Polish people were ripped off by Jews.Now,my question is WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATEME?
07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 20:09    #342
I also knew someone who was arrested and tortured by UB after the WW2 and he told me there was many Jews among UB crimminals.I think you should pay me for that too.
i am not greedy pay me $100k for his suffering.After all i believe you want be right and just.Or am I wrong?
Lyzko  Jan 27, 12, 20:26    #343
"Ripped off"???

You don't understand then the meaning of "ripped off". "To rip off" = kradzić = to steal, purloin, take what doesn't belong to someone

As the Jews stole nothing from the gentiles,but rather VICE-VERSA, I don't see your point at all-:)
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Edited by: Des Essientes  Jan 27, 12, 20:52    #344
delphiandomine:
And suicide bombs in Jewish areas aren't 'ethnic cleansing'?
Dearie me Des, do try harder.

Harry:
They only are if one does not consider Jews to be untermenschen, which explains why Dessie has nothing to say about them. One gets the feeling that to Dessie suicide bombers are not part of the problem but instead part of the solution (the final solution).

JonnyM:
It looks that way.

This thread is not about suicide bombings. I am under no obligation to say anything about them. Harry's claim that my not mentioning Palestinian suicide bombing, in a thread about Jewish demands for WW2 reparations from Poland, proves that I believe Jews are sub humans is completely ridiculous and his "feeling" that I thereby support "the final solution" is an example of completely obnoxious flaming by a person with absolutely no sense of decency, Here we see a "gang of three" doing their worst to take a thread off-topic. Thankfully this forum has members with a sense of decency that try to reason with them:
Foreigner4:
For what it's worth, the seizure of Palestinian land is what seems to have prompted suicide bombing in Palestine. If you cannot see how one precipitated the other then you'd best improve upon your rudimentary logic and try to rebuild that temple. Note that this is not justification.

If one is fine with the seizure of Palestinian land without reprisal then one cannot maintain that logic and argue that Jews be able to claim property that belonged to the descendants of those from whom it was taken.

This reasoning is unfortunately responded to with yet another off-topic non-sequitor:
Harry:
one needs to recognise that the USA is even more of an illegitimate state than Israel is.

The moderators are here reading this thread, as one can see by their admonishment of Lzyko in post #334. Why do they allow this flaming and off-topic posting without admonishment, editing, or removal of the posts?
Harry:
However, I do find it amusing that people who think that Jews are acting disgracefully by asking for compensation for the property they lost to the Polish state also think that Jews are acting disgracefully by refusing to return land to Palestinians.

I certainly have never stated on this thread that individual Jews, with legitimate claims, are acting disgracefully if they seek redress in Polish courts. Harry is putting forth a straw man fallacy if his comments are directed at me, for I agree with 07 zglos sie:
07 zglos sie:
Bottom line is if you lost something in Poland go there and demand compensation in a court and if didn't just f u c k off.

This thread seems to have exposed quite a bit of hypocrisy on the part of those who support Poland paying reparations to Jewish organizations while also supporting the denial of individual Palestinian's property rights.
Foreigner4:
So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?"

We all await Harry's answer to this question. Will we get it, or just some more off-topical illogic coupled with unfounded accusations of anti-Semitism?
Lyzko  Jan 27, 12, 20:59    #345
My typo, 'scuse:-)

'Nazis' refer to German adherents of the Nazi Party, nothing more, nothing less.
I shan't even dignify your response with a reply. What did Jews "kraść", eh? If you're so smart.
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Edited by: Moderator  Jan 27, 12, 21:14    #346
" ^So in your mixed up logic it's okay if some members of a tribe take from others AND have returned to them what was taken from some other members of their "tribe?" "
Sorry, I was unaware that Poland had finally passed a property restitution law, can you go into details about it?

Dessie, love your off-topic whining about flaming, don't you think that your complaints would be more likely to be listened to if you apologised for your repeated outbursts of homophobic abuse rather than simply lying about having posted it?



DE and Harry, you both will be out if you don't behave and stay on topic. Enough of your crap.

07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 21:16    #347
Lyzko:
What did Jews "kraść", eh? If you're so smart.

The Jewish shopkeeper did not give the change to my at that time 12 y/o grandfather.You don't call it a ripp off?
I wonder what your tribe have done to the Germans that they decided to annihilate your kind like a pest?Kinda hard to believe that the Jews were innocent and only bad Germans,oops sorry,Nazis woke up some day with a thought "It seem to be a good day to eliminate all these nice Jews like cockroaches as we (the Nazis) have nothing better to do today".So, what have you done to them that they had to take up such drastic measures???Tell us.
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:20    #348
07 zglos sie:
Also before the war my grandfather but also many more Polish people were ripped off by Jews.Now,my question is WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO COMPENSATEME?


Yeah, so your grandfather says. He'll never admit to the truth, will he?

Des Essientes:
Harry's claim that my not mentioning Palestinian suicide bombing, in a thread about Jewish demands for WW2 reparations from Poland, proves that I believe Jews are sub humans is completely ridiculous


Actually, what's ridiculous is that you seem to support any actions against Jews, no matter how terrible. Yet you criticise them for doing the same sort of thing back - which proves your agenda.

Des Essientes:
Thankfully this forum has members with a sense of decency that try to reason with them:


Holocaust denial is illegal in some countries, you know.
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:24    #349
07 zglos sie:
Kinda hard to believe that the Jews were innocent

In the matter of the holocaust, to which you refer, they were entirely innocent.
07 zglos sie:
bad Germans,oops sorry,Nazis

Entirely the same. They believed that behaviour was somehow predicated by race or nationality. Science knows that to be false as did good people back then.
07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 21:24    #350
delphiandomine:
Holocaust denial is illegal in some countries, you know.

And who is denying it?I only want to know what the Jews have done to the Germans,damn it sorry again Nazis,that they had take up so drastic measures to defend themselves?There had to be something as nothing is happening without a cause.
07 zglos sie  Jan 27, 12, 21:32    #351
JonnyM:
In the matter of the holocaust, to which you refer, they were entirely innocent.

Well that's what Jews say but to get a clear picture we should listen to what Germans/Nazis have to say on the subject and the truth will be most likely in between.
I don't believe that such sophisticated and civilized nation as Germans would gas humans with diesel fumes without a reason.
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:32    #352
07 zglos sie:
I only want to know what the Jews have done to the Germans,damn it sorry again Nazis,that they had take up so drastic measures to defend themselves?There had to be something as nothing is happening without a cause.


What did Poles do to the Germans to justify such brutal actions towards them? As you say - they had to take up such drastic measures against them...

Oops, sorry, that doesn't fit into your holocaust justification (a crime, incidentally) - does it?
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Edited by: rozumiemnic  Jan 27, 12, 21:32    #353
07 zglos sie:
what the Jews have done to the Germans,damn it sorry again Nazis,that they had take up so drastic measures to defend themselves?

'defend themselves'
yeh right.
'sophisticated and civilized??????????
what?
they could have been asked to leave, perhaps? If Germans were so 'civilised'
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:43    #354
07 zglos sie:
to get a clear picture we should listen to what Germans/Nazis have to say

It's all been through the wash, the murderers' motivations were in print long before they did it and discussed long after. A few are still alive even now. Adolf Eichmann at his trial said that he did what he did because he had been told to.
07 zglos sie:
the truth will be most likely in between.

'In between' what?
07 zglos sie:
I don't believe that such sophisticated and civilized nation as Germans would gas humans with diesel fumes without a reason.

Their reason was evil, insecurity and hatred with a heavy dose of paranoia and racialistic/nationalistic pseudoscience. They didn't only use diesel fumes, they used a whole host of foul methods, including Zyklon B and and shooting men women and children, to murder 6 million Jews all across Europe. As Hans Frank, the governor of Poland wrote in a letter about the Birkenau Death Camp not long before he was caught "we can explain away a lot, but not this".
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:48    #355
rozumiemnic:
they could have been asked to leave, perhaps? If Germans were so 'civilised'


They were. Poland refused to take them in - one of the more shameful incidents in Polish history. And one of the most bizzare - they had people who were almost certainly going to be very pro beating up Germany - and they treated them badly!
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 Jan 27, 12, 21:51    #356
" They didn't only use diesel fumes,"
They barely used diesel at all: all the AR camps used petrol engines, as is shown by the testimony of the hasmeisters, Fuchs, Bauer and Hodl.
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 Jan 27, 12, 22:03    #357
Harry:
"Sorry, I was unaware that Poland had finally passed a property restitution law, can you go into details about it?

Law and logic are not synonymous.
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 Jan 27, 12, 22:05    #358
delphiandomine:
Actually, what's ridiculous is that you seem to support any actions against Jews, no matter how terrible.

I do not support any terrible actions against Jews. If it "seems" to you like I do then you have a problem with reading comprehension. I have repeatly denied being an anti-Semite and I have said absolutely nothing on this thread, or any on other, to make it "seem" otherwise.
delphiandomine:
Holocaust denial is illegal in some countries, you know.

I do know that it is. Are you accussing me of having denied the holocaust? I most certainly have not denied it.
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 Jan 27, 12, 22:14    #359
Des Essientes:
I do not support any terrible actions against Jews. If it "seems" to you like I do then you have a problem with reading comprehension. I have repeatly denied being an anti-Semite and I have said absolutely nothing on this thread, or any on other, to make it "seem" otherwise.


Your lack of criticism of terrorist acts by Palestinians suggests an agenda.

Des Essientes:
I do know that it is. Are you accussing me of having denied the holocaust? I most certainly have not denied it.


Holocaust denial is illegal in Poland - did you know?
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 Jan 27, 12, 22:41    #360
delphiandomine:

Your lack of criticism of terrorist acts by Palestinians suggests an agenda.

I don't care what you think my "lack" of statements about anything suggests. Delphiandomine, stop trying to make this thread about me and things I have not said. You are trying to take this thread off-topic and you should stop it.
delphiandomine:

Holocaust denial is illegal in Poland - did you know?

Yes, I do know this. How does that have anything to do with the topic of this thread?


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