Lyzko: The again, had the Catholic Church NOT prevented Jews from joining guilds, i.e. learning a respectable trade etc., attend university, fight in the army alongside their gentile neighbors, that is, die as well as live with them, and not be eternally perceived as living OFF them, you and I would never be having the conversation, most likely there would have been no Shoah and the world would have turned out far better for everyone. The Jews would never have been seen as universal paraiah (outcasts), but simply as fellow citizens who follow a different faith, that's all. But no. The Church spoiled it all by herding the Jews into ghettoes, removed from society so that when their Christian brethren were out fighting in wars and returned home, usually to nothing, the Jews were basically well to do, since they never lost their property; they weren't allowed to leave!
Lyzko I'm surprised that you would type this gross generalisation that distorts Jewish history. Man there is so much to say I don’t know where to start.
It seems that you like the image of Jews sitting in salons playing harpsichords below nice art only to be brutally murdered in the most horrendously industrialised system imaginable. That of course happened the tragedy is the vast majority of Jews to be murdered in the holocaust were cap makers and bottle washers people with nothing, no one to fight for them no one to remember them.
The Christian churches responsibility for Jewish persecution; well that is something else altogether it undoubtedly happened in different places at different times.
Prohibitions were placed on Jews as Catholics placed prohibitions on Protestants and vice versa in different places at different times. It’s more to do with the social changes that were happening in the local area. If it were a centrally driven Catholic thing I'm sure that they would have done a better job of persecution in a rolling thunder kind of way. The Reformed Churches may also be blamed but not dammed
The fact that Jews often with names deriving from trades were quite wealthy goes some way to demonstrate your generalisation is just that.
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