Kingdom of Poland Map

SemsemThreads: 18 Posts: 25 Joined: Dec 28, 09 ♂	Mar 5, 11, 21:49 #1
How accurate is it? Found it online, looks a bit too large... http://voodooguild.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/krolestwo-polskie.jp g

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Mar 5, 11, 22:22 #2

It's somewhat misleading, because its the entire red area on the map was not the Kingdom of Poland, but the Rzeczpospolita Obojga Narodów (Commonwelath of Both Nations aka Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). It comprised the Crownlands (Korona) or Poladn)and the GRand Duchy of Lithuania.
Around the fringes were vassal pricipalities that paid allegiance to the king but were not intergal parts of the commonwealth, and this changed over time.
Along the Black Sea where the Dzikie Pola (Wiold Steppes) which at different poitns in time were nominally under Polish rule but in actuality those were untamed, largely uncontolled areas regularly overrun by assorted roving nomads, Turks, Cossacks et al.

PennBoyThreads: 157 Posts: 3,441 Joined: Dec 7, 08 ♂	Edited by: PennBoy Mar 5, 11, 22:27 #3
Semsem: How accurate is it? I don't remember Poland ever extending to the White Sea in the north or Romania belonging to Poland in the south (although Polish highlanders did come from Romania) nevertheless it wouldn't be fair to those people to claim that land.

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Mar 6, 11, 00:06 #4

PennBoy:

I don't remember Poland ever extending to the White Sea in the north or Romania belonging to Poland in the south

That's why I was wondering about it. I'm also wondering with regards to the territory bordering what I believe is the Volga River, and including Crimea in the Black Sea.

All maps I've been able to find are of either before or after 1618 (when I've read Poland was at it's maximum extent).

And then on Wikipedia, found a map with caption "Rzeczpospolita in 1569; the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, having lost lands to the Russian state and to Lithuania's partner Poland, is much smaller than a hundred years earlier". So...how much larger was it a hundred years earlier and did that have a larger land-coverage than in 1618?

enkiduThreads: 18 Posts: 983 Joined: Sep 23, 08 ♂	Mar 6, 11, 01:14 #5
Here you go:

plk123Threads: 30 Posts: 6,412 Joined: Aug 29, 07 ♂	Edited by: plk123 Mar 6, 11, 09:22 #6
Semsem: Kingdom of Poland Map when exactly? Semsem: How accurate is it? nope not even under the commonwealth was PL ever that big

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Mar 6, 11, 23:48 #7

plk123:

when exactly?

Not sure. Just found the map.

plk123:

nope not even under the commonwealth was PL ever that big

Can I be pointed to a location that contains various maps of Poland from various time periods?

And, a side-question, is it correct (in any sense) to say that Poland owned Russia between 1610-12 with future Władysław IV as elected (but not crowned) Czar by the Seven Boyars? And then what of during the elected monarchy period? Would it be proper to say that when Poland was ruled by the King of a foreign land (Sweden, France, etc.), Poland was part of those nations (or vice-versa) at least monarchical wise (as opposed to governmental wise)?

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Mar 6, 11, 23:58 #8

Semsem:

And, a side-question, is it correct (in any sense) to say that Poland owned Russia between 1610-12

No

Semsem:

And then what of during the elected monarchy period? Would it be proper to say that when Poland was ruled by the King of a foreign land (Sweden, France, etc.), Poland was part of those nations (or vice-versa) at least monarchical wise (as opposed to governmental wise)?

No, it was still independent Kingdom of Poland. No matter who was the king.

piktoonisThreads: - Posts: 96 Joined: Apr 1, 11 ♂	Apr 1, 11, 07:35 #9
This map is false. Even GDL in it's glory never reached that far to the east. Maybe this map is from some fiction book or game?

nottThreads: 6 Posts: 1,271 Joined: Jun 2, 10 ♂	Edited by: nott Apr 1, 11, 19:51 #10
Semsem: Poland owned Russia between 1610-12 with future Władysław IV as elected (but not crowned) Czar by the Seven Boyars? This is the only explanation I can imagine for somebody drawing a map like that, Polish presence in Moscow for a year or two. Only it's a huge little bit of a stretch to say that these lands were Polish.

ShortHairThugThreads: - Posts: 1,375 Joined: May 1, 09 ♂	Apr 1, 11, 20:05 #11
Semsem: How accurate is it? Found it online, looks a bit too large... And you never noticed what site you were on? Voodoo Guild – obviously some gaming site. Now there's the place to learn your history but I must admit the future looks bright.

legendThreads: 9 Posts: 819 Joined: Apr 23, 11 ♂	Jun 3, 11, 09:42 #12
http://www.euratlas.net/history/europe/1600/index.html This is the best website I have found. It shows Europe from 1AD-today If you want to change the years just select it on the left hand side. Semsem: http://voodooguild.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/krolestwo-pols kie.jp g jezus maria... look at the size of that thing. the creator/painter must have been drunk :D

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