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LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Edited by: Lukasz Apr 2, 08, 10:21 #1
O course no body is thinking to have war and take it back ... but we have lost enormoust part of our heritage... Polish buildings in Lwow (Today 99% Ukainians 1% Polish people) Wilno (before the war Polish majority, after the war Lithuanian ... ) Old Polish buildings there:

MareGaeaThreads: 45 Posts: 5,529 Joined: Feb 6, 08 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 10:25 #2
This reminds me of that old Alexander Patton song from way back in 1965, "Make the best of what you got": Life is a good thing children, if you just try to make the best of what you got M-G (stop whining about the past and look towards the future. The past is limited, the future infinite)

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Edited by: Lukasz Apr 2, 08, 10:29 #3

I am not whining. I show some facts. When you came here. You have been talkinga bout poor Germans. I find it strange that everybody is telling Poles to stop whining, and why you don't tell the same for Jews about Holocaust. We are not whining because we don't think about past, unfortuantely we have processes in courts with Jews and Germans in properites cases. So I feel we need to show something. they don't move forward. ... they want money (Germans are pathetic).

Polish people would love to move forward !!!

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 10:30 #4
Lukasz: Polish buildings in Lwow (Today 99% Ukainians 1% Polish people) Lukasz, you gotta let go.

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Edited by: Lukasz Apr 2, 08, 10:44 #5

z_darius:

Lukasz, you gotta let go.

Ok Why nobody said that for Bratwurs when he started to victimize Germans in WWII. 95% of Polish people moved forward. It seems that some people haven't so I wanted to show the other side of coin.

We don't love Ukrainians ... we have close realtions with them on political level. Is there better proof that we have moved forward... Some nations haven't done it and now we have some strange discussions.

z_dariusThreads: 22 Posts: 5,091 Joined: Oct 18, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 10:45 #6
Lukasz: Why nobody said that for Bratwurs when he started to victimize Germans in WWII. I did, and I think I wasn't the only one.

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Edited by: MareGaea Apr 2, 08, 10:52 #7

Lukasz:

Holocaust

I think having 6 million of your ppl killed for no other reason than that they are what they are is of an entirely different dimension than losing some cities, how painful that may be.

I don't sympathise with the Germans, I only wanted to state that all ppl have their dark pages and to deny it or defend it as being "just" only makes it worse. I do not condone any atrocities committed to ppl, no matter who it is that commits them. I do not condone what the Dutch did in Atjeh, I do not condone what the Russians did to the Poles, I do not condone what the Germans did to loads of ppls and I do not condone what the Poles did after the war to the Germans living in territories that were as of then Polish. Reactions immediately after the war are understandable, but they should not take too long and definitively not still being defended 60 years on. Instead you should say: ok, it happened and we are not proud of it, but it happened. That would be the just thing to say.

Lukasz:

Polish people would love to move forward !!!

Well, what is stopping them? They're part of the strongest economic bloc in the world and starting to enjoy all the benefits that come with being part of the EU. Let's leave the past the past. You don't need to forget, but you need to forgive. If forgiveness is a stranger to ppl, future wars are born and the world will still be the same old sh*tty place it has always been. Have we ppl not learned from past mistakes?

And: I did critisize Bratwurst for doing that. Apparently you did not notice that.

M-G

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,396 Joined: Sep 1, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 11:05 #8
MareGaea: Well, what is stopping them? They're part of the strongest economic bloc in the world and starting to enjoy all the benefits that come with being part of the EU. We have processes in courts against Germans in cases of properties. That is the problem.

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Edited by: celinski Apr 2, 08, 12:17 #9

z_darius:

Lukasz, you gotta let go.

No, you do not ever let go you learn from your past. Lets see did they let go of 1932-33 in Ukraine? Yet you feel we can. This was our homes.

Poland wants Holocaust property restitution law by end of year

Jerusalem Post, Israel - 2 hours ago
Moreover, many of the areas populated by Jews ahead of WWII - the so-called Galicia region - are now located outside the boundaries of present-day Poland ...
After years of delay, the Polish government aims to complete the issue of Holocaust property restitution by the end of the year, Polish Ambassador to Israel Agnieszka Magdziak-Miszewska said Sunday.

The core of a bill, which was accepted by the Polish parliament in draft form two years ago, is ready, and the Polish government hopes to reach a resolution by the end of the year, she said in a briefing with Israeli journalists.

tinyurl.com/32p5k8

MareGaea:

I don't sympathise with the Germans

German's or Russian's that have yet to take responsabily, like Ukraine. You cannot think just ignoring historical responsability has a time limit? We lost more than land, we lost family and we will never forget our family. As far as forgive, how do you forgive when the one's you need to forgive ignor? I guess when they can say they are sorry and be responsable we can begin to heal.

Thank you for the beautiful pictures, to some of us this will always be Poland.

isthatuThreads: 4 Posts: 1,627 Joined: Jun 8, 07 ♂	Apr 2, 08, 16:30 #10
AAARRRRGGGGHHHHH Dont worry Luky baby,I get where your coming from,they really are gorgeous looking cities. Thanks for the pic's.

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08 ♂	Edited by: Prince Jan 18, 09, 13:40 #11
Ukrianians started to renovate buildings connected with our heritage. (Lwów had smashing Polish majority before the war) youtube.com/watch?v=dK_UjGTmmDU Polish Lwów 1930.

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08 ♂	Edited by: Prince Jan 18, 09, 19:38 #12
Kresy Rzeczypospolitej - nice video with pre WWII Polish heritage on east.

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Feb 14, 09, 03:14 #13
Who built Lviv, dear Polish friends? You know? And at what year? Please give me an answer and I will tell who Lviv belongs to. Thank you.

Easy_TerranThreads: 4 Posts: 473 Joined: Mar 31, 08 ♂	Feb 14, 09, 05:34 #14
Nathan: and I will tell who Lviv belongs to Damn... without you we all would be lost and live in ignorance.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 15, 09, 17:37 #15
Nathan: Who built Lviv, dear Polish friends? You know? And at what year? Please give me an answer and I will tell who Lviv belongs to. Thank you. By ruthenian king Danylo who had no connection to modern ukrainians whatsoever so your point is ?:)

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08 ♂	Edited by: Prince Feb 15, 09, 18:19 #16
Lwów is part of Ukraine now. Poland doesn't want to change borders. Anny way it is nice to see what some Polish people have build there. It is good to see some buildings being renovated.

SokratesThreads: 19 Posts: 4,464 Joined: Jan 19, 09 ♂ [Suspended]	Feb 15, 09, 18:23 #17
Prince: Poland doesn't want to change borders. Now now lets be honest, we're going to invade them anyway its just a question of time. Btw Nathan we're going to bomb your place first :)

PrinceThreads: 26 Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 4, 08 ♂	Feb 15, 09, 18:24 #18
Sokrates: Now now lets be honest, we're going to invade them anyway its just a question of time. It is better not joke in this way.

k98_man

Feb 15, 09, 18:29 #19

Boundaries will move and people will migrate. It's an innate part of human nature to continue this cycle. Remember the past for the good, learn from the past for the bad, and make a better future.

Some of India's most holy sites for the Hindu majority are located in Pakistan, where almost everyone is Muslim. That is just how things go sometimes.

Still remember and enjoy your heritage, but try to remain friendly with others.

Czarnkow1940Threads: 11 Posts: 167 Joined: Mar 5, 10 ♂	Mar 9, 10, 09:30 #20
Lukasz: course no body is thinking to have war and take it back ... but we have lost enormous part of our heritage... Maybe we could make a trade :)

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Edited by: Mr Grunwald Mar 9, 10, 22:21 #21

MareGaea:

Yes and let's all dance with purple robes and dance hula hula!

You for sure don't know what pride is

Czarnkow1940:

Maybe we could make a trade :)

Not with the Ukrainians...

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Mar 9, 10, 22:43 #22
Mr Grunwald: Not with the Ukrainians... ;)

Mr GrunwaldThreads: 34 Posts: 2,354 Joined: Dec 16, 08 ♂	Mar 16, 10, 02:58 #23
Nathan: ;) I know reality ok? :)

NathanThreads: 33 Posts: 1,846 Joined: Feb 13, 09 ♂	Mar 16, 10, 04:34 #24
Mr Grunwald: I know reality ok? :) I know and I don't argue :)

smigly wilno

Sep 17, 10, 18:38 #25

Remember today for what happened in 1939; Soviet Russia invades Poland and forever changes the map.

My father ends up in a Workutłag in Komi, Russia and never has a chance to see his home again until after the Iron Curtain falls and Poland is free from the Soviets.

If nothing else, I would LOVE to be able to walk the farm land of my father and say "This is mine." This will never happen, because the land is NOT IN POLAND and probably belongs to a Russian.

Always remember. Always be PROUD!

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Edited by: Jurgis Sep 17, 10, 20:20 #26

Hello.

I do respect polish people and their role in Lithuania's history, but people should move forward as somebody said. These talks about teritory aren't going to make anybody happy. We, lithuanians could compare our Grand Duchy's map and nowadays republic map

and then brag about Hrodna, Brest and so on and so on.... And we sometimes do! Haha! How silly we are. Then disputes are beggining: what nation lived where and in what times.

Now speaking about Vilnius or Wilno for you. I think you're right about majority of poles before the war there. But do you really think it should belong to Poland? I'm just asking, no offence.

BorrkaThreads: 49 Posts: 769 Joined: Apr 25, 08 ♂	Sep 18, 10, 12:24 #27
Jurgis: But do you really think it should belong to Poland? It used to be Lithuanian then Polish, now Lithuanian again. No need for further discussion. Bad when somebody tries to reshape history by (for example) removing Polish inscription from Vilnius University. Point.

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Sep 18, 10, 12:35 #28

Jurgis:

Now speaking about Vilnius or Wilno for you. I think you're right about majority of poles before the war there. But do you really think it should belong to Poland? I'm just asking, no offence.

Not only Vilno but territories surrounding the city as well, majority of residents there were Poles.
Today, nay, you may keep it, its small price to pay to keep you stay away, but do not fukk with Poles still living there or we'll change our mind.

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Edited by: Plastic Pole52 Sep 18, 10, 13:17 #29

Czarnkow1940:

Maybe we could make a trade :)

We could do that.We could make a deal with Russia.They take the east we take the west.Sounds fair to me.

Ironside:

Today, nay, you may keep it, its small price to pay to keep you stay away, but do not fukk with Poles still living there or we'll change our mind.

Poles did it once in 1921 and I am sure we can take it back now ,we just need to grow some balls.They again opress Poles living there so maybe it is the time to give them another ultimatum like in 1938?

convexThreads: 47 Posts: 7,189 Joined: Nov 25, 09 ♂	Edited by: convex Sep 18, 10, 13:38 #30
Ironside: but do not fukk with Poles still living there or we'll change our mind. Don't worry, they're currently going through the process of Lithuanization. Won't be a problem in 50 years. Can't you visit Lithuania? Purchase property there? Speak your language there? What's the problem? Plastic Pole52: time to give them another ultimatum like in 1938? That worked out really well last time.

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