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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Jan 5, 11, 09:11    #361
delphiandomine:
Terribly useful. It's my opinion that if Poland and Czechoslovakia had concentrated on building an alliance of all the countries which wanted to stay independent, it would have been a different story. If you look at it, it's no surprise that so many countries fell so quickly - they were in the middle of fighting with each other, so they more or less invited the Soviet Union and Russia to walk in.


I can only agree a 100%, i actually brought up that scenario quite long time ago. And retrospectively, they would be sure as hell working overtime to make such an alliance work.

We've been talking about Czechs so much, lets do a little show and tell since i know how to attach images now:)

would you share your secret Sok?

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Edited by: Sokrates  Jan 5, 11, 14:03    #362
When writing a post below the youtube etc icons you get the [+] images thingy - press it, i didnt notice it for weeks too.
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 Jan 5, 11, 16:42    #363
Sokrates:

The main problem with Czechoslovakia was that nobody really wanted to defend it
(including "Czechoslovaks" themselves.)


Sokrates:
Learn history then come back to me


Oh, so you're saying that "Czechoslovaks", in fact, wanted to defend their country?
To fight and die for it? Well, they surely had a strange way of showing that :)

Sokrates:

dont forget to place "in my opinion" before all of your posts on the subject.


Yeah. As soon as you do the same in your posts, then we'll talk.

Sokrates:
More tanks.


1

The Panzerkampfwagen 38(t) was a Czech tank used by Germany during World War II.
The (t) stands for tschechisch, the German word for Czech; the Czechoslovak military
designation was LT vz 38.

Used by:
Nazi Germany
Romania
Bulgaria
Hungary
Slovakia
Sweden
Switzerland


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 Jan 5, 11, 16:56    #364
Torq:
Oh, so you're saying that "Czechoslovaks", in fact, wanted to defend their country?
To fight and die for it? Well, they surely had a strange way of showing that :)

Well, they came a whole lot closer to 'winning' WWII than Poland did. They were certainly in a far better position in 1945 than Poland was (which might explain why they were in a position to try to throw off communism a couple of decades before Poland was).
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 Jan 5, 11, 17:01    #365
hague1cmaeron:
And retrospectively, they would be sure as hell working overtime to make such an alliance work.


Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily - and I suspect such a coalition would have enough force to warn off Russia and Germany. The problem would be in later years - we'd probably see a repeat of WW1 before long.
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 Jan 5, 11, 18:38    #366
Torq:
Oh, so you're saying that "Czechoslovaks", in fact, wanted to defend their country?

Military wanted, politicians not so much.
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 Jan 5, 11, 19:18    #367
delphiandomine:
Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily

The only militarily viable coalition would be Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia, optionally Hungary, the problem is nobody in said coalition liked each other enough to do business with.

Yugoslavia was militarily worthless, it had numerically a huge military but the actuall usefull force was less than 100.000 soldiers.
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Edited by: hague1cmaeron  Jan 5, 11, 23:40    #368
Sokrates:
When writing a post below the youtube etc icons you get the [+] images thingy - press it, i didnt notice it for weeks too.


Thanks!

delphiandomine:
Without a doubt. I can imagine a coalition of the Baltic States, Finland, Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia easily - and I suspect such a coalition would have enough force to warn off Russia and Germany. The problem would be in later years - we'd probably see a repeat of WW1 before long.


Yes i think that the said countries would most definitely think twice about invading. And having such or similar coalition in the first place, would have done a lot more to spur the French And British to perhaps be a bit more proactive as well.
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 Jan 6, 11, 06:58    #369
Sokrates:
The only militarily viable coalition would be Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia, optionally Hungary,

Poland and Romania had a military pact in place - against Russia - called a little entente !

king
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 Jan 6, 11, 07:21    #370
Ironside:
Poland and Romania had a military pact in place - against Russia - called a little entente !

Yes but only against Russia.
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 Jan 6, 11, 07:55    #371
Sokrates:
Yes but only against Russia.

Their king was pro German, hardly surprising !
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 Dec 9, 11, 02:47    #372
Merged: kresy, zabuzanski

My father was born in Blich, Zalozce. I would like to learn more about the history of the territories beyond the Bug River between the Wars.
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 Feb 8, 12, 03:25    #373
In the end west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus hence both names but in the end we are all one people Slavic !
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 Feb 8, 12, 13:32    #374
alexmac:
In the end west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus hence both names but in the end we are all one people Slavic !

stop trolling
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 Feb 8, 12, 13:34    #375
alexmac:
In the end west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus hence both names but in the end we are all one people Slavic !


Honestly, stop it. You're just trolling needlessly.
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Edited by: JonnyM  Feb 8, 12, 13:50    #376
alexmac:
west Ukraine belongs to Ukraine and west Belarus belongs to Belarus

Yes, however so many borders have changed and so many people moved and irredentism has become so discredited that the only sense of a territory in Europe 'belonging' somewhere is a matter for current residents' wishes, regardless of any nationality or historical issues.
alexmac:
in the end we are all one people Slavic

Nonsense and trolling.
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 Feb 9, 12, 12:23    #377
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect We are all the same people open your eyes.... It's the same with Arabs from Iraq, Lebanon, Syria ect All one people Arabs speak dialects of classical Arabic same with slavs and ancient Slavic language derrrrr
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 Feb 9, 12, 12:26    #378
alexmac:
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect


And?

Culturally, Poland and Serbia have little in common. There's much more in common with Poland and Croatia.
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 Feb 9, 12, 15:08    #379
The point is that different Slavic people are related to each other they are just sub groups who make up Slavic people
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 Feb 10, 12, 10:14    #380
alexmac:
If you ask a pole if they are Slavic they will say yes, same if you ask a Russian, Serb ect We are all the same people open your eyes.... It's the same with Arabs from Iraq, Lebanon, Syria ect All one people Arabs speak dialects of classical Arabic same with slavs and ancient Slavic language derrrrr



If you directly ask me if I'm Slavic I will obviously say yes, but to be honest it doesn't mean much to me and I never think of myself "oh, I'm Slavic". I'm Polish, and then I'm European. And really, most Polish people think that way. I really don't have much in commmon with Russians or with Serbs.
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 Feb 10, 12, 11:33    #381
Dear Alexmac,

It seems to be so important for you that certain nations in Europe share a Slavic heritage, but in doing so you forget that there are many more things that differ between the Slavic people.

Religion for instance is a very important part, then there are different histories, also different neighbour states are very important whose influences must not be underestimated, then there is a different folk culture and psychology. Russians and Poles may have a similar language but their way of looking at the world could hardly be more different. It appears to me that you are a Russian nationalist that looks for another way to construct a new empire but those days are definitely over!

And I surely don't judge nations or people by the fact if the language we speak share a common ancestor or if thirty or fourty generations before we had a common progenitor. This way of thinking belongs to the 19th and the first half of the 20th century. After the horrible catastrophy the Nazis put Europe in this way of thinking should be obsolete.
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 Feb 10, 12, 11:57    #382
I am polish born in poland. Religion is nothing because its a choice and people change views like the wind changes direction.
Way of thinking is NOT genetic.

I am looking forward to watching the euro union collapse.... When It does you will think ' damn that crazy (so called) Russian was right. Germanic and Latin Europe will not care about Poland because in the big picture poland is just Poland.... The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.
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 Feb 10, 12, 12:41    #383
alexmac:
The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.

Kindly do not ever again claim to be Polish: no Pole would ever make such an incredibly stupid statement.
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 Feb 10, 12, 13:18    #384
alexmac:
I am polish born in poland. Religion is nothing because its a choice and people change views like the wind changes direction.
Way of thinking is NOT genetic.


Oh yeah, and that's exactly why there are so many religious wars even between very similar nations!


alexmac:
The former government who sadly died in the airplane crash realised this that's why the EU killed them they were changing their minds about being a pawn state for the western illuminati.


The former president who died in the plane accident was very anti-Russia, and pro-USA, so he certainly wouldn't approve of any union with Russia.
The president doesn't have that much decision power and the government at that time was already PO, so clearly you've got no idea what you're talking about.
And what klilled them was bravado and negligence, not any EU state, nor Russia.
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 Feb 10, 12, 13:31    #385
delphiandomine:
And what klilled them was bravado and negligence, not any EU state, nor Russia.



there may be big surprises for you as to what actually happened in Smolensk - one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter - there are also interesting hints by the Jak 40 crew about conversations between the cockpit and the Smoleńsk 'tower' - which may well be recorded on the Jak 40 black box and are currently being examined in Kraków
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 Feb 10, 12, 13:38    #386
Funky Samoan:
It appears to me that you are a Russian nationalist that looks for another way to construct a new empire but those days are definitely over!


He's probably another Serb. Same difference.
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 Feb 10, 12, 13:54    #387
gumishu:
one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter

You got a source for that? And sorry but Radio Maryja and the like do not count.
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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 10, 12, 14:03    #388
Harry:
gumishu:
one 'established truth' has already been ruled out - that it was general Blasik who read out altimeter

You got a source for that? And sorry but Radio Maryja and the like do not count.


http://www.tvn24.pl/12690,1731746,0,1,w-ekspertyzie-abw-nie-bylo-glosu -blasika,wiadomosc.html

http://wyborcza.pl/1,75478,10976887,Katastrofa_smolenska__To_nie_byl_g los_gen__Blasika.html

looks like your not up to date with Polish political news Harry - I think it is a persistent state with you
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 Feb 10, 12, 14:17    #389
gumishu:
looks like your not up to date with Polish political news Harry - I think it is a persistent state with you

Those sources say that the experts did not identify the voice reading the altimeter. How does that "rule out" that it was Blasiak? Oh, sorry it doesn't. And strange how the people who want to cover up for the General are, er, military prosecutors. No dog in the fight for them, eh?

I note that yet again you can't stick to the facts and instead make personal comments. Perhaps you know your case is so weak that your best shot is to try and start a personal argument. That's fairly pathetic of you.
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Edited by: gumishu  Feb 10, 12, 14:38    #390
http://m.wiadomosci.gazeta.pl/wiadomosci/1,117915,10969778,To_nie_byl_ glos_Blasika__Eksperci_ujawnia_zapisy_czarnych.html

it was the second pilot Robert Grzywna to read the altimeter - it has been ruled out that Błasik was recorded in cockpit - if you don't know what Instytut Ekspertyz Sądowych means then you sure have to assume that it was the military who defend their own, don't you


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