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as he appeared in the doorway with a white flag, accompanied by a small group of men, a machine gun opened up and they were mowed down. Then the firing ceased and the remainder were ordered out of the building with their hands up. All of them, fit and wounded - the latter including Major Ryder, who had survived the first burst were rounded up and hurded into a paddock, accompanied by kicks and blows. There with utter cold-blooded ruthlessness, they were raked by two machine guns. Afterwards SS troops moved among the bloodstained bodies, finishing off the wounded with revolver shots and bayonet thrusts.

Two men survived, both terribly wounded and feigned death until the SS had moved on. They were cared for by a local farmer until taken POW by regular Wermacht troops.

Dunkirk by Robert Jackson
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Ever the provocator eh? You need to try something about Poles, Dunkirk wont stir it up much.
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Why wasnt Churchill charged for war crimes after the Dresden bombings?
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Sokrates:
You need to try something about Poles, Dunkirk wont stir it up much.

So bring it on then, thats what this thread is for. If i could find such Nazi war crimes in one book think what you could find.......
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how about the Palmiry Forest?
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Yer man Robert Jackson claims Dunkirk was a massacre. Some massacre that, with over 300,000 members of the crown militia escaping in leisure boats.

How many copies did this work sell?
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RevokeNice:
Why wasnt Churchill charged for war crimes after the Dresden bombings?


What about when Coventry was flattened or London or Manchester or lots of cities where civilians died? Besides, it wasnt only British planes that flew over and dropped their bombs US bomber were there do their thang!

By the way:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/14/newsid_35 49000/3549905.stm

So you see, we do acknowledge what we did was wrong - note the part where it states:

This was followed by another attack in daylight by 311 US heavy bombers.

So should American be in line for war crimes? Or by virtue of their nature should we let them off because thats what they do?
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RevokeNice:
Yer man Robert Jackson claims Dunkirk was a massacre.

Thats just not the case at all, i remember our argumewnt or rather your argumnet about the Germans finishing the BEF off at Dunkirk, and as it happenend i had this book just staring at me from my book shelf so i read it.

The book details a success out of the darkest day in British military hostory, not a massacre at all.

RN, you calimed that the BEF were sitting ducks and they were but it was a monumental effort to get those troops the hell outta there and my initial asumptions were pretty much true as well.
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Wroclaw Boy:
So bring it on then, thats what this thread is for. If i could find such Nazi war crimes in one book think what you could find.......

In a pill:

Intelligenzaktion - murder of 30.000 Polish "inteligentsia" professors, doctors etc.
Execution of polish defenders at Wizna by the order of Heinz Guderian.
Execution of civilian defenders of Gdańsk post office.
Rape, torture and murder of over 100.000 men women and children in Warsaw.
Regular murder of captive polish soldiers by Wehrmacht.
Murdering everyone in villages from which polish soldiers fired at the Wechrmacht in 1939.
Round ups of people for slave labor in concentration camps.
Anyone caught hiding or aiding a Jew would be killed together with his entire family (sometimes with the entire floor of people).
For every assasinated German soldier typically 20-50 civilians were murdered, men women and children.


I could compile you a list of over a 100 examples of murders commited by Germans in just the first 24 hours of the war, the complete list amounts to probably thousands of examples but whats the point?

The only German on these forums is BB and while he suffers from a superiority complex he's nice enough and the few Poles here are unlikely to jump on a pissant wagon.
RevokeNice:
Why wasnt Churchill charged for war crimes after the Dresden bombings?

Maybe because after the world discovered the extent of the crimes the german nation commited no one could bring themselves to pity them?
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RevokeNice:
Why wasnt Churchill charged for war crimes after the Dresden bombings?

Why wasn't Churchill executed for Gallipoli?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallipoli_Campaign

Sokrates:
I could compile you a list of over a 100 examples of murders commited by Germans in just the first 24 hours of the war,

While you're at it: don't forget to compile a list of all ethnic German civilians murdered by Poles immediately after the start of WW2.
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TheOther:
Why wasn't Churchill executed for Gallipoli?


The boers had that swine locked up. On Christmas Eve his guards got rubber drunk and he somehow escaped. The rest, as they, is history.

Amathyst:
What about when Coventry was flattened or London or Manchester or lots of cities where civilians died?


They paid the piper in Nuremberg.

Churchill is titled "The Greatest Briton of all Time".

Wroclaw Boy:
RN, you calimed that the BEF were sitting ducks and they were but it was a monumental effort to get those troops the hell outta there and my initial asumptions were pretty much true as well.


Hitler allowed crown forces evacuate from Dunkirk. Hitler said that Churchill was "quite unable to appreciate the sporting spirit" in which he had refrained from annihilating the BEF.
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RevokeNice:
"quite unable to appreciate the sporting spirit" in which he had refrained from

ahh the old Tyson "although he knocked me out the next time will be different".



Sokrates:
Intelligenzaktion - murder of 30.000 Polish "inteligentsia" professors, doctors etc.
Execution of polish defenders at Wizna by the order of Heinz Guderian.
Execution of civilian defenders of Gdańsk post office.
Rape, torture and murder of over 100.000 men women and children in Warsaw.
Regular murder of captive polish soldiers by Wehrmacht.
Murdering everyone in villages from which polish soldiers fired at the Wechrmacht in 1939.
Round ups of people for slave labor in concentration camps.
Anyone caught hiding or aiding a Jew would be killed together with his entire family (sometimes with the entire floor of people).
For every assasinated German soldier typically 20-50 civilians were murdered, men women and children.

Thats what im talking about, unbelievable. As far as im concerned the Nazi's German or otherwise should never be forgiven. Their all fathers and Mothers sons with the same mentality the only thing that is different is 60 years.
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RevokeNice:
Churchill is titled "The Greatest Briton of all Time".

Not by the people of Dundee, spat on his wife when he was unavailable apparently.
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TheOther:
While you're at it: don't forget to compile a list of all ethnic German civilians murdered by Poles immediately after the start of WW2.

I always suspected you to be a neo-nazi, the lie about atrocities against German citizens was used by Nazis, the fact that criminal justice (imprisonment, death) was used against Polish citizens of german descent who murdered or actively sabotaged in Poland was of course ommited.

There were no crimes of Poles on Germans immidiately after the breakthrough of WW2, there was one example where in Bydgoszcz in 3-4 September 358 German citizens were killed and thats about the only Polish war crime on Germans prior to 1945.

By comparison modest estimates say that by September 2nd 12.000~ Polish civilians and more then 3000 soldiers were murdered by Germans.

So no there were no Polish war crimes, there was one in Bydgoszcz against tens of thousands of separate murderers, rapes or examples of torture and violation by Germans in the first weeks of the war.

What was a rare exception for Poles was a barbaric norm for Germans and only neonazi cunts like you attempt to twist the facts.
Wroclaw Boy:
Thats what im talking about, unbelievable. As far as im concerned the Nazi's Ger,ansd what ever should never be forgiven. Their all fathers and Mothers sons with the same mentality the only tghing which is different is 60 years..

You're rolling mate, but you're preaching to the wrong guy, try Marek1111:)
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Wroclaw Boy:
Thats what im talking about, unbelievable. As far as im concerned the Nazi's Ger,ansd what ever should never be forgiven. Their all fathers and Mothers sons with the same mentality the only tghing which is different is 60 years..


Since the Brits ended their "splendid isolation" foreign policies, they have killed more civilians than Nazi Germany.
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RevokeNice:
they have killed more civilians than Nazi Germany.

Where ?
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szkotja2007:
Where ?


Germans- 2,260,000
Bengalis- 4,000,000
Kenyans- 25,000
Boers- 100,000

Not to mention Iraqis, Afghanis and of course, Irish amongst many, many others.
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RevokeNice:
Since the Brits ended their "splendid isolation" foreign policies, they have killed more civilians than Nazi Germany.

Nazi Germany killed upwards of 10 milion civilians, they killed more people in 5 years then any country in WW2, Stalin did kill more people but that was throught the length of his reign which lasted quite a bit longer.

Brits killed maybe 100.000 civilians total, thats less then 1/100th of the Germans.
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Sokrates:
10 milion civilians, they killed more people in 5 years

Yanks weren't far behind them in Iraq then.
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Sokrates:
Brits killed maybe 100.000 civilians total, thats less then 1/100th of the Germans.


I said from 1896-2010. Not during WW2.

Sokrates:
Yanks weren't far behind them in Iraq then.


The "yanks", indeed? The US is over there on their toblerone, are they?
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RevokeNice:
I said from 1896-2010. Not during WW2.

So you're comparing crimes of 114 years to crimes of 5 years? Well done champ, i know Brits buttf*ck your country but bias much?
szkotja2007:
Yanks weren't far behind them in Iraq then.

True, everyone knows Americans killed 900 milion Iraqis just during first 2 seconds of war.
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Sokrates:
So you're comparing crimes of 114 years to crimes of 5 years? Well done champ, i know Brits buttf*ck your country but bias much?


I am pointing out the hypocrisy in this statement....

Wroclaw Boy:
As far as im concerned the Nazi's German or otherwise should never be forgiven. Their all fathers and Mothers sons with the same mentality the only thing that is different is 60 years.


I am simply pointing out that the same could be said about the brits.
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Sokrates:
I always suspected you to be a neo-nazi

Why is it that every time someone comes up with inconvenient facts, you accuse them of being a Nazi? Shove it, really.
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Sokrates:
during first 2 seconds of war

3500 civilians in the opening night of shock and awe - not a bad start.
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Sokrates:
Dunkirk wont stir it up much


With all respect, I think we must remember that the rank and file soldiery of Britain were in the main sympathetic to the Poles and Poland and I'm aware of quite a few instances where common soldiers expressed disgust and revulsion at the way their government and military executive treated Poland.

The common military person did bend over backwards to help their Polish comrades and I'm sure they would have gone even further if the order was given, because they no doubt recognised that a friend and ally deserves mutual assistance (always remember the British (and other) pilots who risked their lives during the Rising air drops). It was not given, and the blame for that lies squarely on HMG and the military executive, not the rank and file.

Accordingly, I think we should show respect for the Poms who were essentially murdered by the SS as set out in WB's extract.

plk123:
how about the Palmiry Forest?


Hi mate. I hope you're doing well and recovering. I have a book somewhere at home which from memory gives some figures re the executions that took place here. I'll try and dig it out and report back with some dates and numbers.

TheOther:
Why is it that every time someone comes up with inconvenient facts


But you're not coming up with any facts, because if you were, you would have given dates, locations, numbers killed, perpetrators and so on. Declaring

TheOther:
While you're at it: don't forget to compile a list of all ethnic German civilians murdered by Poles immediately after the start of WW2.


is you merely trying to flame. If you're au fait with this, then give us numbers of killed, who did it, the context and so on, then we can debate the issue. Be real when you want to debate something, and remember where your roots lie. I know it's considered cool these days to critique where your ancestors came from, but try a little objectivity.
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Germany started the war.
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Ozi Dan:
But you're not coming up with any facts

Oh, I did, but there was no need to mention them specifically. Sokrates understood exactly what I was referring to (this is a well known example):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)

Other than that I suggest that Sokrates reads a genealogical source which is highly valued amongst researchers. There are various reports of murders committed by Poles at the start of WW2 in that book.

"Der Kreis Wirsitz : ein westpreußisches Heimatbuch", by Herbert Papstein, 1982

Sokrate's claim that "There were no crimes of Poles on Germans immidiately after the breakthrough of WW2, there was one example where in Bydgoszcz in 3-4 September 358 German citizens were killed and thats about the only Polish war crime on Germans prior to 1945." is simply false.

There's no excuse for the Nazi crimes, but on the other hand it's high time that some people here get a more balanced view of history. IMHO, of course...
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TheOther:
(this is a well known example):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)


I perused your link. What does the one short sentence under the 2nd sub heading "Bloody Sunday' say? Sorry to say mate, but you've lost my respect and lumped yourself in the bandwagon of those posters who will use any source to cast a bad light on Poland but conveniently fail to highlight anything from that source which may cast doubt on the truth of the allegation against Poland.

TheOther:
genealogical source


What does genealogy have to do with alleged murders?

TheOther:
It's high time that some people here get a more balanced view of history. IMHO, of course...


Get off your high horse champ. Your credibility is shot.
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Ozi Dan:
I perused your link.

If you would have taken the time to actually read that page, you would have seen that the Polish side doesn't deny the murders.

Ozi Dan:
What does genealogy have to do with alleged murders?

If you would have taken the time to actually read this thread, you would have seen that the source mentioned is a book which shows that Sokrate's claims are not correct.

Well, instead you decided to produce some verbal junk. And what do we do with junk? Right: PLONK!
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TheOther:
Sokrate's claim that "There were no crimes of Poles on Germans immidiately after the breakthrough of WW2, there was one example where in Bydgoszcz in 3-4 September 358 German citizens were killed and thats about the only Polish war crime on Germans prior to 1945." is simply false.

Proof please? Apart from your claims, you've been shown to lie and be symphathetic towards nazis in the past:)

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