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1612 new russian epic movie

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,397 Joined: Sep 1, 07 Gender: Male	Edited by: Lukasz Oct 23, 07, 13:26 / #1
we will see how Russians see our relationships in XVII century... 1612 is movie about War&Love. Polish troops in Moscov, we will see how do they see us.

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06 Gender: Male	Oct 23, 07, 13:32 / #2
i can't wait to see this film. our history is really complicated with guilt on both sides.i hope one day we will be like brothers again...there is a great chance now once that stupid duck has gone down the loo.

Grzegorz_Threads: 67 Posts: 5,461 Joined: Nov 16, 06 Gender: Male	Oct 23, 07, 13:34 / #3
I heard that this is a good movie.

MatyjaszThreads: 1 Posts: 1,763 Joined: Jul 20, 06 Gender: Male	Oct 23, 07, 13:41 / #4
Quoting: rafik i can't wait to see this film. our history is really complicated with guilt on both sides.i hope one day we will be like brothers again...there is a great chance now once that stupid duck has gone down the loo. Unfortunately Putin is still in his position. As for the film, sounds interesting.

lesserThreads: 7 Posts: 2,014 Joined: Oct 19, 07 Gender: Male	Oct 23, 07, 13:44 / #5
I have watched Russian film about Soviet-Afghan war before and I liked. Hopefully this one will be worth of my time as well.

katzenmond	Nov 12, 07, 23:24 / #6
Be careful - it has as much to do with the history, as "Troy"...and as much with Spaniards as with Poles.:) Just a quite boring fantasy...

Greg - gast	Nov 13, 07, 05:12 / #8
Quoting: Mehuman Have we ever been brothers:/? We are all the time ;)

KrzysztofThreads: 2 Posts: 1,146 Joined: Jul 26, 07 Gender: Male	Nov 13, 07, 08:16 / #9
Like Kain and Abel, I guess?

rafikThreads: 21 Posts: 740 Joined: Jun 22, 06 Gender: Male	Nov 13, 07, 10:03 / #10
Quoting: Mehuman Have we ever been brothers:/? we are all slavs aren't we?

ShelleySThreads: 18 Posts: 3,649 Joined: Jun 26, 07 Gender: Female	Edited by: ShelleyS Nov 13, 07, 10:18 / #11
It looks a bit Braveheart - William Wallace to me, but still would be nice to watch

ConstantineKThreads: 33 Posts: 1,777 Joined: May 10, 07 Gender: Male	Nov 14, 07, 00:23 / #12
Quoting: katzenmond Be careful - it has as much to do with the history, as "Troy"...and as much with Spaniards as with Poles.:) Just a quite boring fantasy... I bet , that even contemporary Poles could not perform the Poles in 1612 with true.

ConstantineKThreads: 33 Posts: 1,777 Joined: May 10, 07 Gender: Male	Nov 14, 07, 00:24 / #13
Quoting: Krzysztof Like Kain and Abel, I guess? Romul and Rem

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,397 Joined: Sep 1, 07 Gender: Male	Edited by: Lukasz Dec 2, 07, 11:39 / #14
Quoting: katzenmond Be careful - it has as much to do with the history, as "Troy"...and as much with Spaniards as with Poles.:) Just a quite boring fantasy... totaly agree I've just watched it. I hoped that it will be more realistic movie ... all in all it even dont pretend to be realistic ;) Russian magicians, uncorns ... What is noticable we are really bad guys ;)))

FirestormThreads: 7 Posts: 511 Joined: Nov 29, 06 Gender: Male	Dec 2, 07, 12:43 / #15
Just like the Plains Indians Were Godless demons with painted faces. Who ate children. Or So the Americans would have us believe..

David_18Threads: 59 Posts: 665 Joined: Jan 4, 07 Gender: Male	Dec 2, 07, 14:37 / #16
I have seen the movie and it sucked. The Polish General got captuerd and dies in a duell at the end, and the polish army flees. I get the feeling that the movie was about the poor against the rich, becuse in the movie the Polish ppl have nice armor and look very noble while the russians looks like poor peasants. 100% russian Propaganda against Poland

RonekThreads: 1 Posts: 297 Joined: Sep 4, 07 Gender: Male	Dec 2, 07, 15:32 / #17
I want to see the movie cuz I'd like to know how Russians see that particular era. But lets make things obvious. The movies release date is quite similar to the election date in Russia? hm?

celinskiThreads: 83 Posts: 2,800 Joined: Nov 14, 07 Gender: Female	Dec 3, 07, 07:56 / #18
Quoting: Firestorm Plains Indians Were Godless demons with painted faces. Who ate children. Maybe in the dark ages. In Connecticut the indians own casino's and are doing better than most. You must remember this is the USA with indian blood mixed with Polish, Irish, you name it. Carol, Connecticut, USA

CrowThreads: 180 Posts: 4,732 Joined: Feb 14, 07 Gender: Male	Dec 3, 07, 10:13 / #19
Slavs have their own spirituality, history, culture, languages... Why would we always accept to `consume` that what foreign media from even hostile countries, present to us. Independance in spiritual and cultural sphera must be among our priorities. It has same importance as independance in political sense. I look forward to see new similar and even batter projects then 1612.

LukaszThreads: 73 Posts: 2,397 Joined: Sep 1, 07 Gender: Male	Dec 3, 07, 10:24 / #20
Crow ... but it is movie made by slavs :))) Russians... you know I hoped it will be opportunity to discuss sth, but it is fantasy movie and histrical facts are so mixed/changed/avoided, unicorns ,russians mags ... it isnt worth discussion ...

sloThreads: 2 Posts: 86 Joined: Nov 26, 07 Gender: Male	Dec 3, 07, 13:19 / #21
Heh... Do you understand Russian in the trailer? You wont be happy to see the movie. Another peace of propaganda. And be prepared one one more - Taras Bulba made by Russian Bondarchuk, coming up in 2008 I believe. Crap. How we can help E. Hoffman to film more? I like his films.

grubasThreads: 9 Posts: 292 Joined: Feb 1, 10 Gender: Male	Feb 1, 10, 05:54 / #22
imo movie sucks.utter bs and fantasy.some unicorns?i mean wtf?but again this just my opinion.u can watch it on you tube (with english subs i belive)and make your own.

krysiaThreads: 26 Posts: 3,614 Joined: Aug 10, 06 Gender: Female	Feb 1, 10, 17:43 / #23
grubas: imo movie sucks.utter bs and fantasy.some unicorns?i mean wtf?but again this just my opinion.u can watch it on you tube (with english subs i belive)and make your own. geez another complainer

z_dariusThreads: 20 Posts: 4,369 Joined: Oct 18, 07 Gender: Male	Feb 1, 10, 18:08 / #24
krysia: geez another complainer Have you seen the movie? It actually has unicorns :) “1612” was commissioned by the Kremlin, and co-produced (and partly funded) by Viktor Vekselberg, a Putin-friendly oligarch with a fondness for symbols of national pride. Released on November 4th, the National Day of Unity, the film shares its title with the holiday’s origin: the 1612 victory of a unified Russian army against Polish invaders. The similarities stop there, however, and critics of the Kremlin have said that the film resembles Soviet propaganda. source. After centuries of being screwed by Asian tribes left, right and from behind the Russian decided that a slaughter of a few drunk Poles was the defining point of their history. For those looking into good movies on Russian history I recommend Andrei Rublev by Andrei Tarkovsky. One of the greatest movies but it's not an easy watch so it is not be suitable for those brought up on the usual Hollywood car chasers.

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